One thing I rarely (if ever) hear about from money enthusiasts is what to do about people with disabilities who are unable to work or have reduced capabilities for work.

In my country the state offers some degree of support and obviously that’s a brain melt situation for most people.

I’m assuming church folks will say the church will care/offer help?

What about non church folks? Sure personall responsibility is fine and all but if you’re born with a serious disability, what happens to the average family that can not afford the medical expenses?

Will these all fall into a crowd funding situation?

I’m curious to know peoples thoughts and hopefully more nuanced than a ‘duh who will build the roads’ cliche.

Another thing would be children in abusive families etc. over the years I’ve worked with young people with truly harrowing stories of the darkest abuse, providing music therapy, which can be a useful tool for dealing with emotional trauma. Ultimately the funding from this has been mostly the state, although the organisation has received some charitable donations, it nowhere near covers the cost of helping these young people recover.

The statistics for abused kids going into crime or becoming abusers themselves is extraordinary high.

What happens to these people under a bitcoin standard?

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"Will these all fall into a crowd funding situation?"

Yes, charities and the church did this before modern social democracies and could easily do it again. If you remove most other forced taxes and fees, people can decide for themselves who to support with that money. And not just by giving away cash to organizations or people, but also via considerable discounts on services or products they provide directly to the families in question.

What fraction of people have issues such as this? 1%? 5%? 10%?

Currently, many people pay upwards of 50% or more of their net income to various forms of tax, and another 6-14% in lost purchasing power due to inflation.

Take away the theft of taxation and inflation, and people will have more than enough surplus income to contribute to these problems. The reason charitable contributions are so low right now is because able people are already being squeezed to death.

I still don't see much discussion of how though.

I remember Saifedean Ammous once saying he never donates to charity, I'm sure there's many others. Is this just because of tax or are some people just uncharitable?

Breaking it down to percentates is odd.... But maybe we can try.

If a household income is £50,000p/a but with a child who's medical costs come to £150,000 p/a. Does insurance cover these types of scenarios? I can imagine insurance companies just turning these cases down.

Maybe you're right and folks start donating more, then maybe that creates enough of an incentive for charities to take over. It's just something I rarely see discussed and the idea of bodies piling up outside a citadel begging for help never really appealed to me.

Very happy to be educated on the matter.

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The point of insurance is to take risks that would be catastrophic to the individual, and aggregate them in such a way that most people end up paying a little more than they normally would, but certain, unlucky individuals end up paying a whole lot less.

Consider homeowners insurance. Most people’s houses don’t burn down, and so the premiums rarely pay off. But in the event of a catastrophe, that person is made whole. If the insurance company refuses to pay such a legitimate claim, they’re in breach of contract and their customer is entitled to legal remediation.

Medical insurance could work this way. One could have catastrophe-only insurance, and pay out-of-pocket for daily expenses. Your car insurance doesn’t cover gas, wipers and oil changes. Your medical insurance doesn’t need to cover routine checkups, etc.

Our current systems of healthcare and health insurance obfuscate the true costs in layers of bureaucracy. Medical technology, like all technology, ought to be getting cheaper year over year.

People imagine that if the state doesn’t provide something it’ll cease to exist. This is not so. It’s just that when the state provides something, it disincentivizes entrepreneurs from attempting to offer an alternative.

Consider public school. In many places, public school is free at the point of delivery (the student pays nothing directly). These state-subsidized schools are often low quality. Private schools, where students do pay, are higher quality but also quite expensive. The only way to compete with free is to go upscale.

Now, the teachers at public schools aren’t working for free. They’re collecting paychecks. Where does that money come from? The taxpayers. Since the taxpayers are already burdened with school payments, only the wealthy can afford the additional cost of private education.

This is why we don’t have private roads. State roads are already paid for out of taxation. For a private road to be economically viable, it would have to be upscale enough to warrant the additional cost, like private school. Since roads take a lot of space, and there are only so many wealthy to cater to, the economics of private roads competing with State roads don’t make sense.

At the extreme, Bitcoin makes compulsory taxation impossible. In Bitcoin, ownership is knowledge. You either know the keys or you don’t. Your exclusive knowledge of the keys grants you exclusive control of the coins. If a government is overbearing in their taxation, you can leave and take all your wealth with you in your head. They can kill you, but then they’ll never get your Bitcoin.

So in the Bitcoin future, State-subsidized, free-at-point-of-use, so-called “public” goods are untenable. This ought to mean the end of public schooling, public roads, public healthcare etc. In their vacuum, entrepreneurs will finally have the opportunity to compete for that business. This will likely mean fractionating of the market as different entrepreneurs take different approaches, offering different levels of service for different prices.

The difficulty of your initial question is that it imagines a world exactly as it is today, minus a State provided service. Yes, that specific service would be gone, with the specific billing and quality we’re familiar with. But at the same time, the market will finally be open to alternatives, unleashing the latent creative potential of people who are currently precluded from even trying.

Until you have hard money again & all the perverse incentives distorting absolutely everything go away the most accurate you will get is the way it used to be done.

Which was far superior to this shit, it doesn't work now & when it all collapses you'll see just how badly what you have now doesn't work...

I’m already aware things are pretty bad. That’s not quite my angle. I think I’m ultimately interested in seeing organisations interested in this sort of thing. It would be something good to be involved in.

I’m rather isolated in my area.

The real cost of government is not just the tax take.

Its the work not done, the hires never made and the businesses never started because of bureaucratic predation and economic friction.

This burden necessarily falls hardest on those whose value of output per hour is already low in absolute terms.

The loss of State subsidies in the few countries that have them would certainly disadvantage various categories of persons.

One of my clients hires disabled workers and those recovering from injury. Five-sixths of the government money is hoovered up by just one layer of middleman, who I have heard complain it goes on administration, legal compliance, HR and various forms of insurance (for him, not the supposed beneficery). IDK how much more is wasted upstream by NDIS themselves.

The end of this system would mean intended beneficeries lose even the small percentage that trickles down to them now. I agree it is unlikely that private charity would replace the sums spent presently, but even 10% as much delivered efficiently would be better for them than the status quo.

When it comes to abused children, I don't have a good solution, but adoption and fostering are private charity funded now, and State Care is a nightmare of abuse and indifference.

I had a friend who grew up in State Care. She told me that by age 17 all the girls she knew in care were heroin-using prostitutes, and the boys were either dealing or stealing. (She was a recently-retired high-end escort when I met her).

By age 27 (then), all but one of her friends from "Care" were dead.

Defunding State care would be an act of mercy.

>>I’m assuming church folks will say the church will care/offer help?<<

It will. Mostly to people who aren't members of the church.

Yeah this is absolutely true.

Additionally bunch of religious institutions do this too. For example famously the Sikh temples feed the hungry every fucking day.

Serving humanity is major part of their religion.

Same with Islam.

Yeah

I guess religion is good for something

Government is so bad at being efficient though.

And not enough private donors and charities to reach out to for all in need of help.

It needs more effort at the local level, like every neighborhood.

I get that, sometimes it can be frustrating that things aren’t as efficient as they could be but also sometimes it’s frustrating seeing how difficult some people have it, through no fault of their own, and it’s not as if humanity is short of resources.

I don’t have the answers but I’m curious as some folks are very sure they do have the answers!

I’ll keep my end up and see if somethings really do fix everything…

You would figure the wealthiest nations of the world would have very little such problems but no at times they have it just as bad or worse than poor countries.

And in the West family system is weak, and culture of the strongest survive

People know the government takes on responsibility to take care of the needy so why would they don’t give privately.

They expect people to seek help from the inefficient.

That’s why it’s a problem because there’s no way they’re able to help close to enough