I'm curious, has anyone tried to imagine a system without a government?
How would that look like across various industries and domains?
like right now people are "brainwashed" to be told what to expect, and what they're allowed to do and think by a higher power, by someone who outranks them in society, I mean the question now becomes.. Will people ever be willing to let go of the government?
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There are multiple ways, where different types of service providers take up different responsibilities. For example insurance providers provide policing services and so on
... and then suddenly all those people taking up these responsibilities are called the government ๐
Unless the country is a git repo and citizenes are contributors, but then again, who reviews the PRs? ๐
What? Your milk provider sells you milk, are they your government, this is a stupid hyperbole. There are other problems with such modelling but this one isn't it.
Was thinking more towards that those farmers may contribute their 5 cents into how the milk logistics should be optimized bw/ them and the customers, the development of milking machines, quality assurance in general, drugs, and so on. So you end up with a special interest group (SIG) giving some preferences which eventually become rules and turn into government for that sector.
But who enforces it? And why can't there be another milk provider that refuses to comply? SIGs only work when they have access to monopoly over violence, when they can force competition out of existence, which only happens when there is already a government that holds such power.
Sure, there can be a 3rd party milk provider which refuses to comply. But the game theory teaches us it's cheaper/more optimal for all to cooperate.
Special interest groups would want to collaborate so that their "special interests" are met, like raising prices. In a world where there is no regulations(aka an organization with a monopoly on violence) a new interest can always provide the same service cheaper(since prices were artificially inflated). There is a natural incentive to not cooperate, as Game Theory would dictate, someone WOULD take that up if there was no monopoly to violence.
This works because there is a natural incentive for ALL service provider AND CUSTOMERS to cooperate, which the SIGs were not doing.
Country?! who said anything about a Country?
you're still thinking in terms of invisible lines on a map, and who said that you have to think big? Let's start small first :)
> ... and then suddenly all those people taking up these responsibilities are called the government ๐
You think the government is taking any responsibility.. haha xD
Governance will always be carried out by some entity or group. It is an inescapable part of Creation's hierarchical design. No matter the musings of libertarians and anarcho capitalists, the role of governance will always need to be filled by somebody.
A better focus is on how best to limit the magisterial government to its proper sphereโ that of justiceโand keep it from intruding upon the other spheres of governanceโthe household, the Church, the individual.
Well... Itโs a paradox of negation creating the thing it seeks to negateโsimilar to trying to establish a system that ensures there is no system, which then becomes a system.
But the intention is not to ensure there is no governance, it is recognizing that governance is good and right when it is exercised within its proper sphere and assuming its proper duties. Because people are sinful, it will never be done perfectly, but this is also why we put up boundaries around the spheres to do what we can to limit scope creep.
The problem isn't the existence of a system, the problem isn't the rules, the problem is in who makes the rules and their ability to not honor them, but you must.. or else ๐ฎ
Anarchists have extensively thought about this problem, and I'm sure they have quite a few ideas. I'm not really familiar with them, but I know their are online libraries dedicated to communist writers/thinkers (obviously not what you're after), and I'm 95% sure there's an anarchist version, too. No idea the URL, but I'm sure it'd be easy to find through Google.
Are you talking about the anarchist library? yes I'm well aware of it ๐
You would want to use modern technology to record the shit out of everything around you at all times
You would generally want to stay in spaces nobody can access without being identifiable
If you leave these spaces, you'd want to be heavily armed, or at least avoid being a target
If anyone kills a loved one of yours, you'd kill them yourself without relying on a court
If you kill anyone without video proof of them killing one of your loved ones, you could expect to be ostracized or killed yourself in revenge
If you get the wrong person, you might get killed in revenge yourself
If you get the right person, you still might get killed in revenge yourself, just like you might get wrongly killed in a world with cops
This system could be better than having cops, if enough dumb people died and survivors were smart enough to make reasonable decisions when analyzing each other's actions with the info available
My friend, living in the #Purge is not what I had in mind ๐
the justice system is one of the biggest indicators of a civilization progress, how do they "punish" their criminals shows how humane they are.. we need to rethink it, we need to rethink everything ๐
