I don't think you appreciated that I knew that you weren't arguing that banking legacy systems are better than Lightning and that you were comparing Lightning to L1s.

I don't think you appreciated that I agreed with all your points or that I still do.

I was making different points.

You are trying to argue in a consensus. This is a nuance of the byzantine generals problem that Satoshi solved.

I don't want to replace the whisper protocol with a shout protocol.

We are the same.