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9/10 times when I get into an argument with someone with whom it seems we're mostly aligned on everything, it becomes obvious after not long that they believe in god and I don't.

And it's always an irreconcilable disagreement. because while the real-world implications of the subtle disagreement may be minor enough to just let it go, practically, the metaphysical implication is **huge for them** so they can't just agree to disagree.

Their faith often requires something like a crusade to "save others" or set the world "right", which is fundamentally incompatible with liberty and voluntaryism. If they don't impose their views on others, they're not meeting their own _personal_ spiritual goals - this messy intertwining breaks the clean sovereignty of individuals. It doesn't respect the NAP.

"In order for me to do right by myself and my god, I **must** effect you". In this way, the evangelical is not unlike communists or other totalitarians.

Pepe NOSTRos 1y ago

Yah but they mean well hehe

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vinney...axkl 1y ago

And that's why I'm not overtly cruel to them, but they still make me insane. Look, if we're going to end up disagreeing about metaphysics no matter what topic we _think_ we're talking about, just tell me up front so I don't waste my time, you know?

Pepe NOSTRos 1y ago

There are ways to have the convo. In the end, since we live in a universe where causality exists, as long as you stick to mechanical assumptions, you will be able to discuss all but the prime mover and movement.

Only mechanical discussions though not meaning or intent of it all. If they push an interpretation you can tell them not to blaspheme as no man knows the mind of any God.

I know some brilliant religious folk, hell Newton was a devout Christian and the numbers weused commonly for calculation were Muslim dudes etc etc.

Not willing to throw all that out so gotta accept well meaning folk and try be kind.

Try ...