I think there is a difference between a Bitcoiner and someone who owns Bitcoin. I can totally understand why fiat chasing Bitcoin owners wouldn't give a fuck about Apple shitting on Bitcoin and people fighting for freedom.

What I don't understand (and I'm not saying either of you two fit this description) are the Bitcoiners (the distinction being that they hold Bitcoin as freedom tech - I have no issue with wanting to also get wealthier by being early) give money to a company that has proven that it doesn't support them or their value of freedom (which they believe Bitcoin will help achieve).

If you fit my description of a Bitcoiner and buy Apple products then you're just a larper. There are alternatives that better support freedom and some people are choosing to contradict values they claim to have.

That's my main point here. I see it a lot and find it odd that people proclaim how much they love freedom and FOSS Bitcoin while using the exact opposite in all their other tech, especially when better (even if not perfect) alternatives exist.

My issue is with using their software ecosystem more than the hardware, but they intentionally wire the two together pretty tightly, making it a lot more difficult to use freedom software than alternatives. Ethical hardware is being built but it's still less common/available than open software. I don't think perfect is yet possible, but Apple is as bad as it gets on this issue.