Monero? The coin which forks ad finitum and calls itself asic resistant, right? Mmkay?!

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Bitcoin? The high tx fee coin that calls itself "electronic cash" that has no privacy?

Why don't you break it's asic resistance then? What are you waiting for? The bounty is millions every month just for you!

So stop holding it then

Cash isn't an investment you use it. Bitcoin is bad currency. You implicitly cede that by using getalby for zaps.

Its just an easy way to zap. I send it all back and in good time will set up something better.

Zaps are so much better than likes

Exactly, you do that because it would be too expensive for moving these little amounts all the time thus my original point that it isn't a good currency. And because of LNs complexity you settle for intermediaries and give up sovereignty over your money; the whole point of Bitcoin

But you DO hold it right?

Why consistently attack bitcoin if you do?

Isn't there already more than enough uncritical praise of Bitcoin on here? You act as if I'm saying these things out of the blue and unprovoked

I'm in a sea of maxis that constantly trash a useful tool and the only argument drooling out most of them is because it's not Bitcoin. Do you consider that an intellectually honest satisfactory answer? I don't. So yea I'm going to say shit

Everything has downsides. Bitcoin isn't perfect. Moneros trade offs make it a better digital cash. That takes nothing away from Bitcoins strengths.

What Bitcoin layer is a full replace for Monero right now? You keep talking about layer and havent showed me one

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You can't think of a single layer that does this can you? 😂

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I think some of these maxis who deny reality are glowie alphabet people, some of them are corporate saboteurs, and most of them are just really dumb

I agree its goid to have otger opinions but I think we've been through this before.

I'm just saying you don't make it clear to everyone that you hold most of your wealth in bitcoin and a little in monero to spend.

Non sequitur. That has nothing to do with my points about it being bad as a currency or digital cash. And I am clear on that when relevant or asked. Search through my history. Gold vs cash, and saving vs spending analogy used all the time.

Pardon misure

How much of your wealth in in XMR?

What imaginary gotcha do you think you have me on? Reread what I said previously until it clicks

What am I a search engine?

It would be interesting to see how much of your wealth you've lost holding XMR instead of BTC.

This is the drooling maxi shit I'm talking about. The sad state of it. You take any BTC criticism as a personal attack so flail out against a strawman that doesn't exist. So fragile.

It would be interesting to see how often you use Bitcoin without intermediaries and, if so, how much wealth you've lost to fees. What about KYC and chain analysis? Do you just bend over and try to relax for that part?

I'm just pointing out that you consistently attack bitcoin but likely hold the most of your wealth in it. So there's little weight to your arguments because you don't really believe in monero

I don't believe Bitcoin is a good digital ***cash***

What don't you get about that? Cheap transactions and privacy. I'm out of ways to explain it to you.

Seriously, this platform is an echo chamber for maxis. And this is not coming from a newb

Build a XMR client

Zap in XMR

Go

I'm busy working on dvms

Nice little client for all 11 of you

Fyi all your Bitcoin maxi heros secretly use Monero

It seems that shipcoiner are either not able to see the synergy of layered bitcoin or don't want to since it hurts their bottom line.

Show me what Bitcoin layer I can use right now that gives me strong default privacy, cheap transactions, and doesn't give up sovereignty over my money

But it still forks ad finitum? Why don't build on a sound foundation? Look at all the different layers built atop.

Who cares? It's open source and permissionless. The important thing is ability to opt out.

If you don't like an update you can swap your Monero for a different crypto and no one can stop you. Or you can get together with others that don't like it and fork the code.

Show me what Bitcoin layer I can use right now that gives me strong default privacy, cheap transactions, and doesn't give up sovereignty over my money

You sound like Roger ver. Whateva fits you. Use your 'by default' "privacy" coin. No worries on my side here. Lightning, liquid, ecash, swaps, coinjoin is just the beginning. We will see what monero offers in five years.

This is your privacy on "lightning" Mr Wallet of Satoshi

❌ amounts

❌ receiver

❌ self custodial

Lightning doesn't have strong default private. It was designed around fast and cheap payments for retail with privacy as an afterthought. Receiving privacy is bad. And 95% of users are on custodial wallets that see everything anyways (like you).

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Liquid only hides amount and is custodial.

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Coinjoins hide nothing, they obfuscate ownership, but everything is visible. Expensive, slow, and tedious too.

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Ecash is the only one with really good privacy, but too bad it's custodial and mints can print unbacked tokens

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Monero hides amounts and addresses completely and is self custodial 🥱🥇

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