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I can understand that line of thinking but at the same time I find it flawed. Almost all other major Nostr platforms seem to have a fairly easy time implementing an open zapping solution. I would personally never recommend Primal until their zapping powers are opened up.
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The Daniel 🖖 1y ago

I’d argue that isn’t true. It’s why most new people who I onboard have the worst time trying to understand how to setup a wallet and it takes a lot of time to explain how Lightning works, what an LNURL is, why only some wallets support it, where to get your address from and add it to your profile. Getting someone to download one app is hard enough. Asking them to have two or even three in some cases, or two apps plus a website just to sign up for a social network AND learn about private key management at the same time is almost impossible, which is why they usually don’t come back.

Put yourself in the shoes of the average user. If you can’t onboard someone in 30 seconds while they’re drinking at a bar, you’ve basically lost them.

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sathoarder 1y ago

Perhaps my perspective is off. I was fully into Lightning before Nostr. My experience with Amethyst was enter nsec, type in Lightning address. It seems pretty easy but truthfully, I had some groundwork already laid.

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corndalorian 1y ago

Many bitcoiners on Nostr hadn't even used a lightning address or LNURL prior to joining Nostr.

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The Daniel 🖖 1y ago

They were putting lnbc and even bc1 addresses into their profile and then getting confused why zaps didn’t work.

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jamw 1y ago

Many still do. It’s fundamentally a lack of wallets that give you a LNURL. Custodial WoS helped onboard a lot of people initially because it was very simple.

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The Daniel 🖖 1y ago

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corndalorian 1y ago

There it is 😅😂 So much of that. Even before Nostr, those of us on Twitter that used lightning addresses had to explain them all the time to other bitcoiners because of how new it all is.

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jamw 1y ago

I think you have to be driven by a basic interest in tech and decentralisation to adopt nostr and to continue with it. The “it just works and I don’t care how it works” centralised mindset is still very very strong for many people around the world.

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The Daniel 🖖 1y ago

It’s closer to 100% than most plebs want to admit.

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elsat 1y ago

Most dont care, wont run a LN whatever node.

This is what I imagine is the approach at Primal - first touch point to LN should just work™️

Can we do better for folks further interested in decentralize the things? Soon™️

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jamw 1y ago

Yep

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The Daniel 🖖 1y ago

We started nostr:npub1hxfkcs9gvtm49702rmwn2aeuvhkd2w6f0svm4sl84g8glhzx5u9srk5p6t for those who want to take the next step. There’s never going to be an overwhelmingly large number of people who want to do this.

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jamw 1y ago

Yep. I think they generally get decentralisation. They get the basics of free speech. But they don’t want to have to spend time setting up an app for zaps that in their view should just work. The great thing is many clients (social) do the notes side well once they get their head around key pairs. It’s when zapping gets involved. They have to unlearn what they have learned and then relearn something that is quite often full of acronyms and terminology that is largely alien to them.

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5c077d22... 1y ago

#cashu solves this for small amounts. #mimibits is setting a good example. Custodial services require KYC. I would not onboard a new user that requires KYC. I find that ingenuine.

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corndalorian 1y ago

Custodial doesn't equal kyc though. That is incorrect.

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5c077d22... 1y ago

Custodial services require KYC. I would not onboard a new user that requires KYC.

I didn't say equal.

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corndalorian 1y ago

Custodial services do not all require kyc though. That is an incorrect statement.

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sathoarder 1y ago

I think they will eventually, at least in heavily regulated jurisdictions. i.e. Wallet of Satoshi. I suspect rather than comply, they just left. I'm not sure how Alby gets away with it, maybe their dot isn't big enough on the radar screen yet?

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corndalorian 1y ago

I won't be surprised when it happens, but it hasn't yet and saying that custodial lightning services are kyc is simply incorrect information.

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5c077d22... 1y ago

Which one? Also, do i have to ask for permission? #cashu is permissionless.

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corndalorian 1y ago

Cashu is not permissionless unless you are the mint operator. It is a privacy layer but you are at the mercy of whoever runs the mint.

Most of the custodial lightning wallets don't require kyc. Which ones do you think require it?

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The Daniel 🖖 1y ago

Prinal wasn’t designed for people like us, and that’s okay. There need to be options for different types of users to bootstrap adoption. The beautiful thing about this protocol is that you can use all of the apps interchangeably.