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Lightning is a scam though, like ecash

And it could hypothetically be a service, like ecash, but nobody would use lightning or ecash as services because we already have Bitcoin and doggie coin and Monero, so lightning and ecash aren't needed except for scamming

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 5mo ago

lightning is a peer to peer payment network.

ecash is a client-server architecture.

if you actually tried running a lightning node you'd understand.

a CUSTODIAL lightning wallet is no different from a CUSTODIAL bitcoin wallet. you are trusting someone. in both cases, the custodian holds the keys.

not your keys, not your coins.

when you run a lightning node, it's two keys involved, but it doesn't change the situation because you can't cheat the other party in the pair without incurrring a bitcoin onchain transaction fee.

and the fact that this is the total risk of it, means it's just one degree less than trustless. where the custodial relationship is 100% in favor of the custodian.

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🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 5mo ago

I have tried running a lightning node. Didn't work, and pretty sure I lost sats.

I don't get what you want me to agree with here. Lightning proponents want me to accept them saying "Lightning is Bitcoin" in nothing but contexts where it misleads people, they've never even shown me a context where it's useful to let Lightning use the Bitcoin name. I'm not going to use Lightning when it's not useful to me. I'm not going to call it Bitcoin just to confuse people. I'm not going to get pushed away from Monero or doggie coin by counterarguments that are always false. What's the goal here?