it is very possible that "virology" is not the correct explanation of reality and thethe terrain theory of disease is more accurate.
humans may be spreading toxic fragments of dna/rna when then are unwell from malnutrition rather than some external virus "attacking us"
essentially viruses may not exist and even contagion may not exist
Wild if true
Looking at Humes work plublished in 1923, we can see that there might be more to terrain theory and Bechamp’s work than we have historically made to believe. nostr:npub1ltz38gwwmmg740r5qlqjn96gth5thv5wmhkwlgqks9lu3485q7jsy6k4fh has been discussing this.
Terrain theory points to the importance of keeping the internal body healthy to prevent disease. This means that lifestyle factors and environment are very important. Health like our money should be something that we each individually own and work with healthcare and wellness professionals when needed.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31175004177021&seq=11
Love opening Nostr to this level of sophisticated conversation
Let’s ask the hard questions
Let’s dig deeper
How can we live with optimal health?
Where were we miss-lead?
How can we test this in ourselves? Ie verify
nostr:nprofile1qqs06hur0durup4gswajdrter25f5zhd7vpf9xnu34k8znh877mzngsppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7rh225r and nostr:nprofile1qqsyvd24hd9slq8azdm04e3gl2l67lj7x8xjwswcp2jdyfwfy67zslspzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejsz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wst24d5r keep at it!
Totally. It’s great to have Nostr as a place where multiple ideas and evidence can flow so individuals can grasp information, knowledge, and truth to inform their health journeys.
This may lead to a simple question of second order effects. If vaccination leads to an immune response, it is possible that it is the foundational cause of much auto immune disease but also could be placing the body in more of a disequilibrium state and effectively diseased long term. I looked for long term data on prevalence of auto immune disease but came up with what I consider too much confounding to verify anything.
nostr:npub1nkn4k86w8advjau7hmxj0j5qx2exxgufu8cqaru7khkdgreym3ks9y3chw possibly similar to what you have found, here is a meta-analysis showing no association across 140+ studies. Like you mention there are a number of shortcomings. For example, the review doesn’t examine experimental or genetic vaccines. https://doi.org/10.3390/vaccines9080821
Thanks. Bookmarked for when I have time but had a quick scan. The cheapest study would be a cohort study comparison of unvaccinated and vaccinated populations. So easy to do and yet all those billions of dollars never quite seem to allow for a quick siphoning off of a few million. Science is a funny thing. I’ll dive into the references but just a quick scan suggests another somewhat unscientific approach to the question
Considering late onset of some conditions, it would be interesting to see the cohorts followed up through time as well. My cousin developed MS in late 30s for example
nostr:npub1nkn4k86w8advjau7hmxj0j5qx2exxgufu8cqaru7khkdgreym3ks9y3chw your point is well made. Doing a quick search of the literature, it is evident that numerous studies that appear publicly look at vaccine safety/efficacy and vaccine hesitancy among persons with Multiple Sclerosis with less evidence exploring the direct link between MS and vaccines.
Furthermore, from the quick search using Google Scholar from 2020-present, one review, Principi and Esposito (2020) state “some vaccines may induce an autoimmune neurological disease, no definitive demonstration of a potential role of vaccines in causing autoimmune neurological syndromes is presently available.” Additionally, Stefanou et al. (2023) systematic review and meta-analysis on COVID-19 vaccines and patients with MS, shows “no risk of relapse or serious adverse events” among the data analyzed in the study.
To your point about the need for cohort studies over time and the gap in the literature, Sefanou et al’s study does not focus on previous vaccination and onset of MS overtime. Rather Stefanou et al, makes the conclusion, “these safety data provide compelling pro-vaccination arguments for MS patients.”
The underlying thesis to Stefanou et al, possibly comes from a germ theory premise. Instead of asking could there be a way to prevent risk of the infectious disease by strengthening the terrain, a persons condition, before advising a vaccine?
This type of thinking is not weighted enough in medical and public health science. Also, this might be why the true causes of many disease are not identified in the scientific literature lending to an endless hamster wheel of ongoing research calling for more study. When we could be advancing the science more from a root cause perspective.
Note: These thoughts come from a preliminary search. Maybe there is more robust data out there on these topics?
Principi and Esposito (2020)
https://doi.org/10.3389/fpubh.2020.00361
Stefanou et al. (2023)
