Will look into what you’ve said and report back soon🫡
Thank you sir
Discussion
Not a sir. Ew. LOL
I'll probably be around. I do certainly want to hear what you decide. My next project to finish is a 308 AR10. But... I'm concentrating on getting solar installed on my trailer (which is my home) first.
I’m interested in either a .308 or 6.5 CM AR10, still, sometimes I think the AK platform is ultimately more durable and reliable. Thoughts?
i like a 1911
Sure, for a handgun…..probably .45 ACP is the best caliber too.
9mm. More rounds.
9mm, no power. I kill pigs all the time and while a well placed .22 will do the job eventually, there is no replacement for tissue displacement. Even a .357 mag hollow point isn’t as effective as a .45 caliber hole. Shoot to stop, big holes stop things quick.
Agree to disagree. Age old debate. Shoot what your most comfortable with and what you’ve practiced with the most.
VT guy showed how effective .22 is, unfortunately.
9mm is a great compromise between stopping power and affordability. Can have all the stopping power you want but if you cant shoot well with it, than it's a waste.
This is true, I use handguns like a ten foot long sword. I think at ranges longer than 10-15 feet the use of deadly force is questionable unless the assailant is armed and menacing, and if that is the case, you are likely going to be shot drawing your piece. In defense, ftlbs of energy absorbed is really important, placement and number of shells mean a lot less when 1300 ftlbs of impact energy just blew your arm or leg clean off. Same thing with malfunctions. Give me a large bore revolver any day, or a 9mm magnum (.357). Semi automatic 9mm makes sense for police, but not defensive carry IMO.
Reloading a revolver mid engagement? No thank you.
Defensive? Reloading very unlikely to be necessary. More than 5 shots fired? Likely you are going to jail regardless of circumstance.
if you really want to be defensive (here is my more than twenty years of defensive martial art experience) you put signs on your property in plain view that state TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT
and then you store your handgun somewhere safe that only you can access
and/or you get one of these ;)
HP 9mm has plenty of stopping power ..
Disagree, have you ever shot a living thing with it?
I've seen plenty of human beings shut right down with it.
To each their own, I kill a lot of pigs, in different ways, different sizes, different shot placement, and I can tell you, 9mm is not enough to stop a 300 pound man with a knife at ten feet unless you hit center face, spinal cord, or one of five major arteries which would take amazing skill under duress that probably one in ten trained soldiers with combat experience could pull off. Good luck!
Looking at the statistics of handgun survivability, there is a marked difference between any handgun and any rifle (firing an intermediate or above cartridge). I think 9mm is a decent enough compromise at least if you have enough rounds on you. To counterpoint what Jack is saying about a revolver being enough, that is not the case anymore. Attackers are grouping up exponentially more often. 6 rounds on tap is NOT enough. But also one 17 round magazine (welcome winter carry!) is also not enough in case you have a malfunction. You should be training to dump the mag, slap in a new mag, and rack the slide, so you ALWAYS need at least one spare mag, no matter the capacity.
Once again, I can’t disagree, but if a semi automatic with spare mags is an urban necessity, why not 10mm or at least .357 Sig? When it comes to adequate penetration, proper expansion, and bone mass is concerned, 9mm doesn’t cut it. A decent layer of visceral fat stops a hollow point 9mm as effectively as body armor. Obesity rates in America again? Fifty percent at least? You wouldn’t hunt a 200 pound puma with your 9mm, are humans not dangerous game in these circumstances?
Because it's much, much easier to carry a compact 9mm. 357 Sig is effective but really, really loud. There are no excellent compact 10mm pistols that I've seen. (I don't consider Glocks to be excellent, and I would not want to shoot the shorty 10mm, anyway.)
All handguns are a compromise. A modern thin 9mm with enough capacity and good defense ammo stop be more than enough RI not be outgunned in most cases.
An AK is not in the same class as a large frame AR10, so, I don't consider those at all equivalent.
If you are interested in building/buying a primarily defensive weapon, a 308 based AR10 is the way to go. If you ever want to get into target shooting at ranges over 500m, want a "better" cartridge design for hunting, or wavy to take advantage of more modern ballistics overall, 6.5 Creedmoor is really hard to beat.
So, for the AR vs. AK thing... An AK is, essentially, more robust, if you get one that isn't half wonky. That being said, an AR is faster to reload in nearly all cases, has much better ergos, is much more modular, nearly any AR is actually more accurate, and will be generally easier to carry.
I am biased. I was in the army and my brain just functions on AR now. But, Stoner got so much right with the design, it's become the base to which one a few designs have exceeded its utility, practicality, strength to weight ratio, accuracy, and utility.
Though, I absolutely detest the 556, in general. That's a solvable problem, though, and I think it is good to have a rifle that shoots military loads.
I really appreciate this response. Clear, concise, and well thought out. I too detest the 5.56 and the 9mm, I do think an AR10 is the correct choice for me. Those 6.5 mm bullets sure have some amazing coefficients don’t they? With my eyes though, sometimes I think an 1895 repeater in 45-70 with a 4x scope would be the better answer for this old man….lol.
Funny you should mention that... Have you ever heard of 458SOCOM? It's basically 45-70 in AR friendly rounds. It's on my list of things to build. Works with any AR lower, just need the upper and it helps, but may not require, to have magazines for that. (Duramag makes them, but, they mostly just have a tweaked follower and a raduised outlet, which you can do yourself.)
I want a 308 for in close stuff dealing with steppers in level 4 plate. 308 still hurts enough to knock someone out of a fight, and if they are unfortunate enough to only be wearing level 3? Well, they are gonna have a really bad day. It's also better for large deer.
If you are concerned about your eyes, you will want to try a bunch of different stuff. Right now I have a SFO 1x prism that's delightful. No issues with my astigmatism, really easy to pick up reticle and I can bang steel very easily as far as I can see. (The farthest I can regularly shoot is only 100yds.)
There are lots of options available. Don't worry about that so much.
Cm ar10? Is a thing?