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We are witnessing a fatal flaw in democracy. The demographics are so skewed that large segments of society can be completely ignored without consequences.

Then compensate for the dwindling birth rates and shrinking tax base with migration and you will soon find you have lost your nation.

DasFrettchen 8mo ago

I have been a migrant most of my life and though I love my people I hate our flaws as a culture (namely corruption and violence).

When a few of ME move to a different place, that place will get a little bit of my culture. If a considerable ammount of my people move in, we would recreate our homeland here. It doesn't matter if it is russians, africans, americans or asians, the point is the same.

Weirdly enough, the issue I am highlighting here is less catastrophic than just let the population dwindle and die on its own.

No solutions from me, sorry 😞

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Den Yellek 8mo ago

I am not even making a value judgement here on migrants or their culture.

Simply that migration is being used as a cover to hide the collapse and aging of populations. It also provides excellent cover for politicians to blame the failings of the system on. In Australia everyone loves to blame migration for house prices skyrocketing but no one has any idea about the fact that the money supply has also skyrocketed or that people are using their houses as a store of value. And as the population shifts so do the things that win their votes.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

yeah, it's a dirty game they are running cover for the wrongdoings of the bankers and gigacorps

DasFrettchen 8mo ago

Oh sorry I was the one making the value judgement of migrant culture. And I agree with your point. There is something deeper that is not being addressed and it is causing all of these problems.

Symptomes are easy to point out, the root cause is very difficult to grasp. Faulty money and the incentives it creates have a cascading effect on our culture.

Laeserin 8mo ago

It's a cause-effect chain. The house price inflation lowers marriage rates and raises the economic burden on couples, which lowers birth rates, which incentivizes mass migration, to replace the missing children.

But economically crushing your local populace and then subsidizing foreigners to replace them, is next-level political perversion, IMO. And a lot of us migrants are now locals, and we're also getting crushed. So, you know, now they have to replace our missing offspring, too... It never ends.

Laeserin 8mo ago

I'm also a migrant. Most of us in the thread are, actually, in one way or another.

But, it's like you say, a handful of American's moving to your neighborhood makes for better burgers, cooler digital projects, a world-class basketball team, and livelier church music. A million Americans moving to your neighborhood is just an invasion and will turn you into America del Oste. (I mean, Germany is essentially occupied by Americans, so that's not mere conjecture.)

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 8mo ago

yeah, i'm a migrant too, been wandering around europe for a while, netherlands, serbia, bosnia, bulgaria (mostly)

i make a lot of effort to integrate, i can speak reasonable bulgarian now and i'm working on portuguese now for madeira... i've even started going to the local church, since a christian should go to church, fatima catholic it is