People always assume fraud but when it comes down to it, fraud is so miniscule it's almost laughable to assume fraud took place. But that's when fraud actually does happen though, when we get complacent. So it's always good to have due diligence done. It just seems wild that it takes this long, even though it always has. We are just an impatient society I guess.
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I feel like it's really dangerous to be crying fraud without any actual evidence. You can't just point to circumstances like "oh its taking so long, must be fraud". Be vigilant, do investigate but call fraud only when you're 110% sure its fraud. Otherwise you erode trust in democracy.
I of course have no evidence of fraud, but it is weird to see a chart like this of the popular votes over the last 4 US presidential elections.
I don't take anything face value. There may not be any fraud, but that doesn't mean we can't question anomalies like 2020
But that chart has old data. The numbers for this year are much higher now.
2020 was an anomaly with record voter turnout most likely because of mail in ballots and people scared because of COVID-19.
Correct, it is old data, but it shows a trend that Democratic support remained relatively consistent while Trump's support has steadily increased over time. The spike for Biden is strange.
Where are all the extra 5 million or so Biden voters in 2024?
Vote apathy?
Voters turnout rate was 67% in 2020, then dropped to 64% this year.
2012 had 58% turnout, 2016 had 60% turnout.
Definitely not an apathy issue IMO
Dems didn't like Biden or Harris and only voted for them because they weren't Trump. Running on a campaign thera basically I'm not the other guy can only work so much.