Not exactly sure what you're getting at. Yes I open a channel with say "the bitcoin company" and buy their product. Eventually all outbound liquidity becomes inbound liquidity. But if I want to make another purchase I still need to get outbound liquidity. I'm in the US and there are few options to get bitcoin on lightning outside of my own biz. I used to use robosats but for folk in the US that option is mostly gone. Plus pricey. All I can think of that's available is cashapp since it supports lightning but pricey as well. To avoid having to fund my lightning onchain wallet and pay loop in fees I've used breez lsp to fund via onchain then send it to my node on lightning (since I have all that inbound liquidity). I've also toyed with the idea of using alts to lightning btc but the only service supporting that is fixed float and they block the US. The other option is liquid btc to boltz. I've had boltz exchanges fail on me in the past costing me double fees to fund and refund onchain btc. But liquid is cheap so it may be an option even if it fails.

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Just did a #btc to #l-btc to boltz.exchange to lightning wallet. Oddly cheaper than sending to a breez wallet onchain then to another lightning wallet. But only by a few sats.

Only issue with liquid is how long will they be around. Not much traffic there. A lot of extra steps to get on lightning. Plus side a failed send from boltz won't cost you double bitcoin onchain fees. Liquid fees are low like litecoin so a failure won't break the bank.

Why is robosats an issue for us the the US? I use it regularly without issue and the premiums are actually fairly competitive relative to other non-kyc options. But I believe you can also purchase on Strike and Kraken via LN as well if you need to add outbound liquidity. I may very well be missing something that you're seeing, though.

Hi, thanks. I hadn't checked robosats in a while. I checked today and did see some cashapp and zelle options for small amounts. I hadn't used strike cause I believe you had to do kyc and I didn't want to do another new account. However, since I recently closed binanceDOTus and bittrex I guess setting up strike shouldn't be too bad. Didn't know they had lightning support.

Cashapp worked well. Not very apparent but it'll pay an invoice. Will keep robosats for non-kyc stuff. Thanks for the details.