I have like 90 relaysā¦ youāre saying you only need 2 and get a clean global feed?
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Haha I wouldnāt advocate for only 2 but yea thatās exactly what Iām telling you.
Give it a try and see if it doesnāt blow your mind :)
Do you have a resource where I can really better understand relays?
My learning curve for the past few weeks here has been so steep. I am doing the things people recommend, adding the lightning functions, but really want to a cleaner global feed to connect with better users
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Our filter readme will help you understand why we made it and what it does: https://filter.nostr.wine
If you generally want to learn about nostr/relays Iād recommend https://nostr.how and then digging in to the protocol description.
Thank you for the resourcesā¦ I will read them both and do my best to understand this today
Nobody knows exactly whatās optimal yet in terms of relays. My recommendation would be try to find a mix of a few paid relays and a few public ones. If youāre having trouble controlling spam, perhaps add a few more paid and try different public relays. Of course, not all paid relays are created equally. Hard to know what to choose.
All about experimentation to find your ideal nostr experience, not someone elseās.
To be honest, I just stay out of global now that I have followed over 50 people I know/respect. Once you get past ~50 there is enough to interact with from those people, where itās not necessary to fish for strangers or random posts
I spend about 15% time in Global now that I cleaned it up - canāt be too closed
True, but you miss out on content discovery.
I basically only look at global these days. I see my follows+their follows and that web of contacts produces exactly the type of content I like to read!
Also let me branch out a bit outside of my North America developers circle. I follow some of our šÆšµ and šØš³ nostr.wine users so I get a glimpse of who they follow too!
Thatās true actually, I discovered a wonderful user form šÆšµ a few days ago who posts beautiful content dailyā¦ discovered in global.
Iām going to spend the day learningā¦ and trying to clean up my relays + feed. Hard to know which of my many relays are pure spam tho. š¤¦āāļø
Why would you do 90? Goodbye data! š
I added every relay I could find initially
Haha, with a reason? Or just because you thought you didnāt want to miss a thing?
Learning the ropes here, there is no resource that clearly explains how everything works and why we should add one thing vs another.
Donāt even understand the benefit/need for paid relays vs free ones.
Would be happy to pay for a good one and eliminate bad ones, just donāt even know what each one does and how to determine which one is good/badā¦ š¤¦āāļø
Donāt stress - all early days, no harm done. People are sharing links to docs
Yes, early days, I don't see a benefit or need to paid relays when I can run one myself. (once I learn how). Is the goal self hosting ? and therefore own all your own data?
Lots of options, No right answer. I do some paid in part to support the infrastructure of Nostr. Nothing is free!
Thanks for you reply and opinion. Would running my own node be better for the infrastructure that paying someone else ? or is it about how powerfull the node is?
My Nostr relay running on my Umbrel node only seems to backup my notes and interactions with others. Like reposts, and every š¤ I sendā¦ not sure if there is more functionalityā¦
Running a large relay is expensive. Running a small personal one is not!
All depends on how many people are reading and writing to your relay. If youāre serving a large amount of concurrent connections, you will need a powerful server and unmetered bandwidth.
Good question, I think powerful nodes help more people and small nodes are more for your own use or your friends and family, but that is an early take.
I donāt think itās the same concept as Bitcoin nodes validating transactions where more is always better
How do others connect to your small node? And what does that mean if a small group, letās say, watch dealers on 47th street, on a node together, that means they can see each others posts and that others canāt?
You could create a private relay today (controlled via accessing IP) that would work like that today.
There is a protocol spec for client authentication that would allow you to do this without IP restrictions and instead based on an authentication token but it has not been widely implemented yet.
Donāt understand that. Sorry š¢
Basically yes it can be done today in a more difficult way. It will be easier to have private (but shareable) relays in the future.
I bring up the watch dealer examples because during the pandemic I resold vintage watches. Oftentimes we would trade dealer-to-dealer and wire money to one another, other times, have to spend an afternoon invoicing an chasing clients.
I since purchased key domains in the bitcoin + watch space, and could facilitate trusted dealer-dealer conversations via private/secure member paid relaysā¦ trade deals, and instant international settlements via bitcoin. It could be a great system.
Basically I have light bulbs going off in my head of things I want to create.
Currently stuff like this is gone on private telegram groupsā¦ but the zap feature is a game changer because I can post something with and asking price, and sell it faster šØ
Self hosting is great too. Paid relays are more about spam protection, sustaining a relay operators expenses (so that they will actually care about uptime and keeping your data), and joining a community.
Right now in my opinion the ideal setup is a mix of both (thatās why we created the filter, to bridge the gap).
In Damus and maybe others you can toggle relay in and off in Global
And you have a 1 Terabit/s internet connection? š