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if you go for more than 6 hours without protein in the diet you will begin to lose muscle relative to what amount of muscle you would have had if you had protein.

working out while not eating protein will only make you lose muscle faster because you will accelerate muscle breakdown without increasing protein synthesis ( granted, this will depend on how long the fast is - if the stimulus of workout lasts longer than the fast then you will still build muscle, but i would NEVER work out unless i was going to eat protein in the following couple of hours ).

fasting when your weight randomly goes up is not as clever an idea as it sounds, because it isn't random fluctuations ( that are mostly due to either water weight or contents of your intestines ) that will kill you but the integral of visceral fat mass overtime. so for example if you carried an average of 20 lbs of visceral fat for 20 years that 400 lbs of visceral fat pound-years is what is going to kill you.

the real reason to fast is because it is psychologically easier to periodically fast than to always stop eating before you're full ( which is what a dietitian would tell you to do ).

always stopping before you're full would be like having sex every day but always stopping before reaching orgasm. this is torture and the reason why very few people succeed on such diets. it is obviously more pleasurable to go for a few days without any sex and then be completely satisfied. likewise it is more pleasurable to touch no food the whole day and then only eat in the last few hours of the day ( how most people fast, and also how our hunter ancestors used to eat ).

this is the real reason for fasting - everything else is pseudoscientific BS charlatans make up to rationalize it with things like "autophagy" and so on.

we humans ( and other carnivores ) evolved to starve most of the time and occasionally pig out. nibbling until half full is contrary to our nature, which is why everybody hates that and few can stick to it.

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Mike Dilger ☑️ 1y ago

Also there is this:

"Researchers followed 12 healthy volunteers taking part in a seven-day water-only fast. The volunteers were monitored closely on a daily basis to record changes in the levels of around 3,000 proteins in their blood before, during, and after the fast. By identifying which proteins are involved in the body's response, the researchers could then predict potential health outcomes of prolonged fasting by integrating genetic information from large-scale studies.

As expected, the researchers observed the body switching energy sources – from glucose to fat stored in the body – within the first two or three days of fasting. The volunteers lost an average of 5.7 kg of both fat mass and lean mass. After three days of eating after fasting, the weight stayed off – the loss of lean was almost completely reversed, but the fat mass stayed off. "

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20240301/Study-reveals-the-bodys-molecular-response-to-prolonged-fasting.aspx

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Dissident Sound 1y ago

there could be many explanations for this strange effect and this is the type of stuff Dr. Jacob Wilson likes to study, namely the various anomalies in the body's response to both food and training ... but i'm not sure we as dilettantes should focus on odd effects like this or at least we shouldn't try to extrapolate them to general rules from a single anomaly ...

we know a body has a set point for fat mass for example - that is if you have unlimited food you will reach a certain weight and stop getting fatter.

there also appears to be a similar set point for muscle mass as well, regulated by myostatin. there was at one point an attempt to use myostatin inhibitors as super drugs for muscle building - not sure what is the status of that now.

what may have happened in this experiment is during fasting the participants dipped below their set points for both fat and muscle but were able to rebound muscle mass faster than than fat mass. if that is the explanation then there was nothing about this unique to fasting itself.

BUT it could also be some unique effect of fasting. it could be that fasting primes the body for muscle building later when protein is reintroduced into diet. i don't know.