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So the miner doesn't get paid in fees but in a normal transaction. And neither can the miner mine a second transaction into the same block, spending the payment transaction mostly in fees but he can do that to pay out future swaps to ramp up the coinbase transaction. But that could also muddy these pristine UTXOs.

To conceal the swap, both miner and client should optionally provide more than one address.

Super Testnet 2y ago

> So the miner doesn't get paid in fees but in a normal transaction

Correct

> neither can the miner mine a second transaction into the same block, spending the payment transaction mostly in fees

I'm less sure about that part. When the miner sweeps the money from Swap Address A, he's perfectly allowed to pay dust (or less) to his "real" address and use the rest of the utxo as a transaction fee. But if he does that, it will be a pretty clear fingerprint that will allow chain analysts to identify Swap Address A as a swap address. For best privacy, the miner should gradually spend the money in Swap Address A in transactions that look relatively normal.

> he can do that to pay out future swaps to ramp up the coinbase transaction

Yes, I hope that the extra revenue they make ends up increasing the relative size of coinbase transactions, which should make mining pool members happy

> But that could also muddy these pristine UTXOs

How would it muddy them? I suspect there are ways miners can use a utxo to contribute to the coinbase via a series of transactions that look perfectly normal, in a way that I don't think chain analysts can't easily detect

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Leo Wandersleb 2y ago

One pool having consistently 1BTC more fees to pay out and paying out to these buyers will stand out and analysis companies - although they don't know which payout it is - will know to which degree the utxo swaps are happening. They will also know which TX was not in other mempools and its high fee will stand out anyway.

This way, unregulated mining pools will definitely have a huge financial edge over those regulated pools that wouldn't touch this.

Super Testnet 2y ago

> One pool having consistently 1BTC more fees to pay out and paying out to these buyers will stand out

hopefully they won't stick out for long because more pools will join the fun too -- every miner loves extra fees!

> They will also know which TX was not in other mempools and its high fee will stand out anyway.

I'm not sure of that. I suspect miners have ways of doing this that analysts can't detect. I doubt chain analysts can see every transaction in every mempool. And there's no reason the fees have to be high. Miners can use normal fee sizes and keep them going for a longer time.