I love these conversations and I think it's reasonable to hold to what you've just said, especially living in the modern West.

I am certainly not blessed to engage in heavy apologetics... as tempting as it is, but allow me to leave some books that flesh these ideas out. They are pretty easy to get through.

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I believe Elder Cleopa is soon to be glorified as a Saint if he hasn't already.

This is what makes me shake me head about the orthodox churches. As if humans can venerate other humans above and beyond others... 😮‍💨

I get it. A lot of the "saints" are pretty amazing people, but... So what?

Thank you for the list. I'll add them to my extremely long list of books that I'll likely never read... 😅