Subnostr

while i agree that LN is a pretty complicated beast one could also argue that bitcoin has been around for 14 years and UX in most software is far from where we would want it to be - by a long shot

While solving LN problems is far from fast, underfunded ecosystem and complexity don't help, things are being built that make lightning much more seamless for people - we have phoenix with splicing now simplifying, breez with greenlight making self custodial nodes super lightweight and integrating lightning into apps a breeze. LSP spec unifying liquidity markets and enabling compatibility across solutions.

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SBW 2y ago

Btw I have questions to both greenlight and economical side of LSP idea.

For greenlight, as far as I understand it outsources channel updates signing and refund destinations, but it should be able to do things like:

- publish an old channel state and let peer take all the funds (peer is greenlight).

- do nothing for long enough when peer publishes an old channel state and let them take all the funds.

If we trust them not to, this is a custodial solution.

For LSP, I would really like to know how well do current ones do and how much payment activity per channel on average do they need to be profitable.

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aljaz 2y ago

Greenlight is not the peer, you can open chans to whichever peer you want

Watchtower can solve the second

j 2y ago

Watchtower cannot undo the publishing of an old state. It can only publish justice transactions.

aljaz 2y ago

nostr:npub1ykgzq83frx525etgezysqxf25480qrnvp962tvzr9afxzj5yrmyqp3mpsh that was meant to be an answer to a second point about peer publishing an old state and your node not being woken up

j 2y ago

Ah, my mistake

fiatjaf 2y ago

You can't solve the first though, which is the worst.