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It doesn’t resonate.

It’s theft.

Land 'ownership' is theft and a very feudal idea

I think you can own what you can keep.

Keeping, securing, defending anything materially larger than what you can keep sight or on your body or in your mind most of the time seems unfeasible.

This is a nice formulation and yes, I would agree is where the concept of 'ownership' probably originated, before it got legally extended

I've been thinking recently that you don't actually own BTC. Instead, you have knowledge of the key that can unlock a UTXO. What if 2 ppl have knowledge of a key (not multisig)? They don't joint 'own' the coins; instead, they both have the ability to unlock and move the coins.

I thought of BTC keys too when writing this, perhaps I digress, the significance of memorization keeps reaffirming itself to me.

Socrates discussed the forgetfulness that comes with writing, and when you rely on paper or electronics to store information, including keys, you really have to extend the necessities of actual ownership to these materials.

For this reason I rank developing, manufacturing and powering practical, self owned local data storage as one of the main challenges of our time.

I know the Socrates quote you're referring to; it's a powerful one and 'shook' me the first time I read it. Powerful to see the debate playing out during the transition from an oral to a written culture (and from the side that 'lost').

And of course it's an attributed quote, as the word of Socrates was recorded in writing by Plato.

Thanks for the additional context.

I value the reference highly since it lends a rarely acknowledged phenomenon some academic credence. I have mentioned elsewhere that I think the flexibility of electronic text helps, it still has to deal with a drastically limited bandwidth though, and Emojis hardly provide an adequate compensation.

One day the prompts will end haha

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26225849-color-communism-and-common-sense

This is a horrid mentally, and fucking pathetic as well.

This is what blacks do; they steal anything within eye sight.

Don’t be black and have such horrid and retarded ideas.

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How else could you establish ownership of something except claiming or taking it?

Either process makes no assumptions of fairness, that gets ascribed quite abstractly and arbitrarily.

Private property did not create crime, that’s fucking absurd.

Unless by some retarded way you mean crime was created when laws were created which is equally retarded.

How do you define ownership?

First person to make use of an economic resource owns it, and thereafter mutually agreed upon transfer agreements. The first thing called something like "homesteading principle" I think.

By that definition large amounts of resources on this planet already have owners. It leaves out any transfer.

How should anyone born after these many established owners rest or travel anywhere, let alone cover their basic needs?

Correct. How is transfer left out? just stated that it is the secondary means of ownership acquiring.

I was just regurgitating something I read not long ago, which was backed up by long discussion, and I believe it's the premise of praxeology with respect to ownership, so thought I'd throw it out there (barge into your convo).

I overlooked the transfer part, sorry.

Yeah no worries. Just thought I might have read a good reply to your point recently so decided to share. It's pretty solid definition, and book I read would supply one with very solid defense of it from first principles. I don't know them well enough myself to elaborate much, but I found them convincing

https://parrishmiller.com/books/spontaneous_order.pdf

Pg 69 if interested

Sorry to butt in. I'll see myself out now :)

Why else would we discuss things publicly here?

Participate as you want and see fit, I appreciated the input.

lol I dunno. Thanks 🙏🙏

That looks like it fits right in with previous thesis or theory I encountered, spontaneous order, self organized structures, emergence. The pattern, the behavior, seems self evident in natural structures.

It's a dense book, which I'd definitely have to read again before blabbering further, but the section addresses a lot of common objections very well and left me convinced it made sense.

"You become a conservative when you acknowledge that government is the problem, not the solution."

This guy conservatives, excuse the lazy lingo

After some cursory web search the title alone of "The Great Fiction" by Hans-Hermann Hoppe also appears to tackle the action and reaction, or evaluation issue pretty head on.

Sorry, I somehow completely overlooked the second part. Please disregard my previous reply.

I do this all the time. Makes me feel like a bad/selfish reader lol

Second attempt. This can make sense, however, I see it in line with my earlier statement that assuming ownership means taking something, materially or non materially. The differentiation between theft and use depends entirely on arbitrary evaluation of that action.

I see your point

You’re retarded

And your account reveals you to be the walking stereotype that I expected. What ppl like you call an 'NPC'.