Great convo.

I’d probably frame societal abstractions more along the lines of centralization vs decentralization, but we could quibble in a long tangential thread regarding that framework.

I don’t believe that barter alone lead to the emergence of money, as credit existed along side barter and is IMO older than barter.

I’m fully willing to concede the notion of the growth of civilization from small groups to the nation state as an accelerant or amplifier of shared abstractions, but draw the line in the notion that scaling those conditions are requisite for that phenomenon to exist.