Replying to Avatar Derek Ross

Now that I've had time to sleep on the "ZBD" issue. I feel that my reasoning yesterday for continuing to discuss this client wasn't so much about ZBD itself, it was because of me being shocked an appalled at the toxicity being sent towards ZBD users. We often say how the vibe on Nostr is different and how we embody positivity, but that hasn't been shown the last few days towards ZBD users.

It's okay to bash a client and securitize it's implementation of Nostr. This is how the protocol grows. However, it's not cool to do this towards brand new Nostriches. They didn't do anything wrong. They're mostly just people looking to play games and stack some sats. There's nothing wrong with that.

This should be a teaching moment for them. This should be a knowledge exchange. We do this for new Bitcoiners, right? We teach them about self custody. The same can be applied here. Instead of telling someone why you feel Coinbase isn't the solution for them, you can tell them why you feel ZBD isn't the solution for them.

Remember, we're trying to #grownostr here, so you need to explain everything in a cool and calm manner here. You could even write a long and precise guide so that you can just give them the noteID or link to the web site.

If we truly believe that Nostr is for everyone and Nostr is open, then we should do better and explain better. We're not toxic. We left that conversation on Twitter for a reason, because we want to build and change the future for the better.

I agree we should not be toxic to newcomers, but lack of toxicity is very low on the list of reasons we need nostr over twitter.

Twitter is centralized and can moderate toxicity more easily. We are lucky to be early into nostr at a point where toxicity generally hasn’t been an issue.

Let’s continue to not be toxic and actually help the Nostriches, but we also can’t not stand up for our ideals when a popular client is in extremely clear violation.

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They should have done a profile shot of Jack for that 🤣

Sorry, but nothing about this changes my opinion that as ambassadors to nostr we can’t let other people’s toxicity make us compromise on our values.

Nostr is in its infancy and ZBD running poor client practices sets a terrible precedent. Any toxicity should certainly be directed at ZBD and not the users, but the every user using that platform is unknowingly hurting nostr and should be told about the problems.

Nostr doesn’t exist to free us from toxicity - toxicity is here and will always be here. Nostr exists to free us from the likes of twitter and Facebook. This isn’t just about censorship. It’s about ownership of your identity. It’s about interoperability. ZBD is recreating a centralized platform and trying to benefit off of the nostr network effect. It is literally in direct violation of the success and ethos of the protocol.

Not to say it’s not a great video! It is and your segment is spot on. Just not relevant to the issue here IMO