Ledger: "In 99% of the cases there is no collusion that is possible between the three entities ... The only concern is if we get subpoena by a government that say, this user specifically, we would like you to retrive the three shards etc.

But thats not a real concern in the end. You only get subpoena if its a serious act, terrorism, drugs etc." 🤡

Wonder what Trudeau cabinet would do with those powers.

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you do not have to opt in

nothing changes

🤣 sure

every opensource wallet can push a malicious code on your device with an update which steals your mnemonics and your funds.

how long does it take before anyone will notice? when the funds are gone.

you have to ask these questions:

how long are these manufacturers on the market?

where do they come from? in some countries you have impunity for fraud, in the usa it could come from a cia company

how many hacks did they have?

how can you verify the hardware components of your device?

i trust the french/singapore ledger. if they do anything illegal, they go to jail.

they never had a hack in 8 years, never had a backdoor in 8 years. the ledger nano s is even too small for the new service. you do not even have to update the device. i am not worried about anything other than the deteriorating purchasing power of btc.

Tell me you DONT understand open source signing devices without telling me you DONT understand open source signing devices

Ledger is problematic because its closed source so you can't verify and sign the code firmware updates. And a cold storage wallet should be airgapped, generated offline, and use partially signed transactions. Your seed can be generated with dice, so you don't have to trust that the device generates entropy.

If your wallet recieves firmware updates that can't be vetted and verified or it is connected to the internet, it should be considered a hot wallet.

If you use Ledger Live you have to rely on ledgers node and they have your xpub Unless you run your own node and a 3rd party wallet software. They have also leaked customer information that have put millions of people in the crosshairs of malicious attackers.

But sure continue use your statist ledger with good conscience.

Deteriorating purchasing power ? You are very unaware. My purchase power is incredible saving with Bitcoin thanks and you sound like a fiat person mindset. Ledger can rugpull anytime a govt orders them. Learn a bit more about self sovereignty is my suggestion

🤣 sure

It’s never about the 99% of the time.

Eek

He uses a lot of “its never happened before” language in interviews. Just the turkey lived for 364 days of the year so why should the turkey expect the 365th day to be any different?

I think that "small concern" is a major attack surface thats a dealbreaker to most serious bitcoiners that care about their security.

The shards are located in EU, UK and US. Your funds are SAFU.

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again, if you opt in and pay 9 bucks a month.

what do you not understand about this???

all hardware wallets get and got attacked all the time:

airgaped is just a gadget, not safe, a camera code can be attacked easily. also the qrcode. has many attack angles

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2012.06884.pdf

list of hardware wallet hacks:

https://thecharlatan.ch/List-Of-Hardware-Wallet-Hacks/

airgaped is not safer, it is a myth, in fact it has more angles to attack:

https://shiftcrypto.ch/blog/does-airgap-make-bitcoin-hardware-wallets-more-secure/

Shorter: Your cold storage is a custodial hot wallet if your government asks us.

Is Trezor any different?