Just curious as to why?
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Is bluesky needed when we have nostr?
they probably say the same thing over there 😆
lol facts. also, its a big world. plenty of room for different approaches.
its healthy to attack the problem from different angles
Having nostr + Twitter already feels redundant.
Once enough people have migrated on nostr, I won’t use Twitter anymore.
I still do not understand what bluesky would do better than nostr/Twitter.
Nostr pros : decentralized, free speech, plenty of different clients/experience, using sats as the standard…
Nostr cons : not many people there (yet), growing pains
Twitter pros : network effect, plenty of people there, lot of content
Twitter cons : centralized, fiat standard, no free speech, pay to win
What is bluesky trying to solve ?
Roughly the same as nostr, but with a more top down development model at the moment
Good on you to also help fund nostr then. Is the logic to have the best product win ?
Maybe there are multiple winners?
Micro app ecosystem probably sets nostr apart. It’s not just focused on social media use case.
Having an invite system + journalists on board generates hype/fomo (whether that's justified or not). In the end I don't think every Twitter alternative has to be general-purpose.
anything with exclusivity and begins its entry to market with an untouchable mindset doesn't have a clear view of the future. it's the distorted concept that fashion is "something to aspire to": whether it's weight, beauty standards, expense-chasing, brand exclusivity etc. to make something with a clear approach to marginalise anyone disagreeing with the guardrails - it will implode when it becomes public access because enough people of intellectual capacity challenge that old, tired model now. should be fun to watch. 🍿
Top down moderation / control. It’s going to suffer the same Reddit jannie problem as Mastodon and Tribel and anything else like what old mate rabble is encouraging.
I don’t believe that will be the case because you’ll get to choose if you want that or not. Unlike Reddit.
Get to choose on Mastodon, look how that worked out.
It’s about incentives and only nostr has them right. Bluesky already banning people portends another failed social app.
Is there a guaranty built into it at the technical level that this choice cannot be taken away from you?
Big tech has already proven they are completely incapable of unbiased moderation
any centralized org will have that problem. But that’s why these are protocols. Big and popular clients/relays on nostr will have that problem too.
And the general population needs to understand you get what you pay for, you will never have a free service that is a free speech platform when advertisers are involved. I’m happy to pay for a good social network solution.
i think it's incorrect framing to think big tech is self-regulated. clandestine government interference and forced shadow market compliance through harassment and blackmail isn't self-regulation.
i would argue if big tech had been allowed to self-regulate, the pivotal thinkers in innovation would have been able to correct and adjust to real-time needs and issues because they understood the risks better than anyone. instead, large-scale interference and surveillance agendas from "top down" secrecy strategies forced dangerous artificial intelligence models and smart tech tools into the hands of an unwitting, uneducated general public -
that the most innovative voices of our time believe artificial intelligence and smart tech require new perspectives should tell you all you need to know. jack and elon have both always advocated for open source to remove the gag orders surrounding innovation. and no one listened to them.
the validator pos shadow economy, which is rapidly attempting to crossover into the traditional economy, is desperate to hold onto its hostage-taking profiteering model, because as does secrecy, so too dies the entire pos platform...
Despite the protocol differences, which one would you think is a better format for a social app?
Bluesky is more like Twitter than Nostr is by far. Right now Nostr is Bitcoin maxi heavy, Bluesky is just regular people talking about regular shit. The emphasis there is more about the experience than the infrastructure. Though of course, it has its fair share of tech folks too
I think different approaches are needed and benefit each other
Still waiting to try BlueSky, Nostr users should get bluesky beta invites… 😉
Hasn’t the invite thing gone on way too long? All you see elsewhere, are photos of 10 a penny Celebs waving paper around saying they’ve got an invite-like a golden ticket. Bluesky is all about the invite hype, not seen much else-guess it will end up being all about the celebs again. I agree, with all the expertise on here-why wouldn’t beta invites been given?
Bluesky and Nostr are not the same lol. Every experience I’ve had on decentralized protocols has been vastly different. Lens, Farcaster too.
So it’s not necessarily about “what’s needed”—it’s about what type of experience(s) you are interested in exploring.
And there’s no one that can determine that for you but you.
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The development model of bluesky (email enrollment, invites, lack of developer freedom, ridiculous TOS) is antithesis to what is being said about bluesky. It just doesn't feel decentralized.
What’s the advantage of Bluesky (at) vs Nostr?
If both serve the same principle, how does one decide for one or the other? Also why doesn’t Blusky use Nostr?
Honest questions.
Choose whatever fits you best. Bluesky is using a different protocol for a variety of reasons. The market will determine which one is best.
“the mountain has many paths”
and they don’t all necessarily lead to the same destination
Keeping two or more (even) conflicting ideas without clinging or polarising them tends to be hard. Easier to choose early and stick with the choice.
Updating an account in each platform is tiresome though.
One meta feed reader/poster or bridges would be helpful 🤙
Bluesky is a nice alternative.
the ai market ain't a free choice farmer's market, and the city slickers who don't like the dirt lot for the market - because their now-in-fashion expensive grandma shoes get icky (which, wtf)- will allow themselves to be steered out of convenience. exhaustion plus suggestibility is a perfect storm for lost plots .
farmer's market: bottom up -
https://twitter.com/the_valley1001/status/1541266974075805698?s=46&t=dNCvJf_QusLEvYoKccEtgA
personal preference. nostr feels more grassroots, DIY.
bluesky feels more top-down, process oriented.
both have a place. i think of it like punk rock vs classical music. i love both and i recognise you can’t have an orchestra without the process and rigor, but i’d rather be in the punk bands and at the punk shows.
end of the day both are trying to make music.
the exclusivity invite paradigm is such a manufactured hype - feels forced. it will be a filter bubble to end all filter bubbles, and the learning will be done before it opens to the public, so all of those who did not detox from the corrupted language models from board-of-directors twitter, will find "refuge" there, establish a elite police conceptualism before anyone else is able to challenge it, and it will be a breeding ground for propaganda come the election cycle. the incorrect narratives and loopy detachment will be rife. you won't catch me showing up anywhere without a direct invitation and i'll be damned if i'll beg for one. but most people are conditioned differently.
get fucked. 🎈