It took Proton 6 years and a wave of complaints for only accepting fedcoins as payment.
Finally they start "considering" monero as payment option.
Very sus behavior.
Sure hope Nostr can become the standard for private emails one day.
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They have come out and talk about it, there is a regulatory issue in Switzerland with that they have been working on. Tune to the last interview of Proton CEO with Seth for Privacy nostr:nprofile1qqs936kc97s4k4gqjnmltljgqns0uadh08d77t5mypg3anxkneks37gpzemhxue69uhhsmtj9e6hxetwdaehgu3wdaexwqg4waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8smtj9eex7cmtwvq3kamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwphhyar9d4hkuetjduhxxmmdhdhm8r where that issue is discussed... In summary, is work inprogress...
Proton esta considerando aceitar Monero
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Antes tarde do que nunca.
Monero is synonymous with privacy.
Bitcoin does not.
If someone wants to become a reference in privacy, they will have to use Monero and not Bitcoin.
Commendable attitude from Proton and now I can believe in privacy in the company, as I don't have to link my data to the service.
Nostr as it exists today is pretty terrible for privacy.
Reusing public keys as identities is not good for privacy.
Broadcasting unencrypted plaintext is not good for privacy.
Nostr for censorship resistance (as long as relays face no pressure from the state or intel orgs) is a reasonable argument. But nostr for privacy is not.
I’m wondering do u see something that I don’t? Where are you getting this idea that nostr is good privacy tech…?
The answer isn't binary. NOSTR is above made for resilience, that is the main goal. This means that NOSTR texts can even be printed on paper and you can verify they are texts from a specific author.
Privacy inside NOSTR is assured with the techniques that already exist today for specific usage cases like private messages:
A wants to write B, so the message is encrypted with the public key of B. This has been common for PGP emails. This isn't terrible for privacy, it is your private keys and you need to know where you are storing them.
If you are storing them on protonmail then that is a bad security practice because you can't prove they aren't copying/sharing them.
In NOSTR you can use a myriad of clients, including command line where you can trust that your private key isn't being shared.
Public keys in NOSTR define a public identity. They certify everyone that a specific key person is writing those messages. If you want to keep identities private, then use specific identities for that purpose.
Here the goal is that a well-known public person can continue to publish texts that anyone can verify as being from that person.
The second part is diversity of servers. There are today +400 NOSTR servers around the world. You can drop your message at a random server and the recipient will eventually download it. In some cases you can use I2P to talk with specific servers that then synchronize between themselves in I2P. It is very difficult for a gov-level actor to pinpoint these IP addresses and map them to specific content (messages) they sent.
In my opinion NOSTR is delivering the security level that OpenGPG has been building to achieve since 30 years ago.
I’d love to use some kind of nostr based private messaging protocol, but I have yet to find one. Something based on simple well-researched cryptography.
Alice and Bob should be able to find each other and just do a simple key exchange protocol. Then they can symmetric key encrypt all messages in their messaging session. Even better if the keys are ephemeral/single use. Regardless of the relays they use it shouldn’t compromise their privacy and if keys are ephemeral then it would be quite resistant to censorship.
Someone like opensats should fund some work in that direction. If u know of any nostr messaging apps/services please do recommend.
nostr:npub1exv22uulqnmlluszc4yk92jhs2e5ajcs6mu3t00a6avzjcalj9csm7d828 is aiming for the role of an email replacement IIRC, and I have to say that I would heavily prefer it over Nostr here
Man, it's so easy to use Proton anonymously, even without Monero. I seriously don't know why people give Proton such a hard time. Emails and VPNs are already inferior ways of performing secret communication. As someone who uses both ProtonMail and ProtonVPN, I accept all the blame for my poor secrecy. Personally, I don't think Proton is malicious. They strike me more as a bunch of losers offering mediocre services to other losers.