No go back to Genesis & read it again ….
Him? 🤣🤣🤣
> He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
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> He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn [over] all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
[Colossians 1:13-17](https://romans+12:10/), ESV
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Discussion
...you mean like [Genesis 3:15](https://www.esv.org/Genesis+3/)?
Yes, Him.
You’re currently using an English Standard Version? Right?
Reads pretty much the same in all the English translations.
Correct
Now when and where was the original Bible written?
...you want a single date and location for all 66 books, from ~40 authors, in at least 4 languages, across the Ancient Near East, written over a ~4000 year period?
Read that .. it’s in ESV … what does it say?
The same thing that it says in John 1 and Colossians 1 and a few other places.
Perhaps what you're after is a refresher on what the whole counsel of God teaches--and what Christians of all ages and all stripes have long confessed--regarding the full divinity of the man, Jesus the Christ, eternal Son of God incarnate:
No … I don’t need a refresher 🤣🤣🤣
I highlighted two versus in the version you’re reading to start a discussion.
You deflected.
To make it easier. The light. 💡
Are they one being?
I answered you, and in doing so, answered the 'one being' question as well.
You don't affirm the ecumenical creeds? Because--and forgive me if I'm wrong--but you seem to be heading somewhere that John 1 would prohibit.
You didn’t answer a basic question I asked you about light 💡
You’re assuming a question I haven’t asked.
Ecumenical creeds we haven’t even gotten too as this is a question about light.
Now you jump straight to NEW TESTAMENT
Cool. 😎
You didn’t. You think you did but you didn’t.
Go in peace 🕊️
--as I suspected, you were on the way to saying that Jesus is the first thing created (light) and not the Creator himself. That's why I responded the way I did. That is not the teaching of Scripture (hence my quotation of John 1 and Col 1), as the church has always confessed.
Scripture is many books, but it is also one book; it has many authors, yet it has one Author. To pit (say, NT) scripture against (say, OT) scripture is to pit its Divine Author against himself.
I stand with Athanasius on this question, CONTRA MUNDUM, as it were.