but muting is a nostr event made by me, and I should have the right to say “I don’t want to listen to you”. And people should have the right to follow as I do. It’s a catch 22 situation. If you say who should be muted by who, you are… muting other people’s right to mute anyone they want.
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I personally do not mute just to not listen to other’s opinions, we are having this discussion for instance. Yet I understand that it maybbe the case for others. The current system is quite useful, instead of manually blocking a lot of accounts the client can just automatically mute using a web of trust system. But it works no different than languages for example. By learning one language you are, by the socia web you connect to, “muting” everyone who speaks a different language. Yet you could learn and translate if you wanted to. It’s not censorship for anyone.
Bro come back when you manage to explain me the situation of a single person controlling over 5 npubs (some have ridiculous amounts of npubs with big followimgs) and him having right to mandate 1 single accounts reach. When you prove me this cant be manipulated then we can talk more. Now seriously im bored and out. Jesus I already said that...
hmm, so if it is so easy to create different accounts, you can create a different account that won’t be “censored” and post from there, isn’t it? How can you be manipulated by “a lot of fake accounts” if the manipulation is only applied to one single account of yours?
The situation has been explained hours ago. No one is censoring you, you can fight all the fake battles you want.
If you want a place where everyone hears you without having a mute choice go to the street with a speaker and shout your lungs out. If you don’t like the web of trust system don’t use it, move to another client or even better! create your own client and relay for full freedom of speech with no mutes. Or go back to twitter, give them your ID and post all you want until someone in the company decides to delete your account making you not only unable to be listened to, but unable to speak for yourself. That’s real censorship.
This is nostr, and as in bitcoin it is not 1 key = 1 identity. That makes possible a medium to talk without being censored using all the pseudonyms you need, giving you and others full freedom of speech. But don’t be mad when others use their freedom to say: “I think we should not listen to this guy”, “yeah, you are right, I’m muting him too”, “5 of my friends blocked them? I’ll block them too, then”
You said so much saying absolutely nothing.
yet you can't do anything about it, because in this system you cannot control what others say. I have the right to post all I want while saying "nothing" and I have the right of muting anyone for any reason, without needing any excuse and without being censored for it. This is what anti-censorship is.
So your 5 npubs dont have any right to limit my notes reach to your followers!!!!! Same shit.... different packaging .... you have right for this for that... well you and your hypothetical 5 npubs shouldnt block my note reaching your 5npubs followers!
Grow the SAME followers in five accounts simultaneously? All of this for something that can be countered by you creating a new npub or rotating your existing one. Does not make sense, in my honest opinion.
It is already difficult for me to mute some automated accounts that rotate their npubs frequently. Me, a single npub, unable to control my feed. Controling others with five different accounts and it being effective? I don’t think so. Not practical, and not enforced in any way.
And, I wanna stretch this out, even if this was the case, they are NOT censoring you. They are just not listening to you anymore. They are not limiting your reach to people who wants to listen to you. I have the right to listen to anyone I want, and everyone has the right to speak to anyone they want. But that doesn’t add up to you having the right to being listened by people who don’t want to.
plus, does it really make sense? Lets suppose muting you is impossible whitin the system, and people who don’t want / don’t like your opinion still is obligated to see all your posts. What are you gaining from this exactly? Unwanted attention? mandatory reading? If this is your usecase you might as well create your own blog, where only your content is visible and cannot be muted. Or make a book.
I understand your point, it may seem unfair that 5 accounts with many followers create a small group that massively impact your reach. But the group in question is “people following the ones who don’t want to listen to you”. What do you think would happen if this feature did not exist, people magically tolerating your opinion? Mute list, as a system, existed long ago before nostr, and for one simple reason. There are not a nostr dev decision, but a needed social protocol.
Keep in mind that reports are public. You can always shame large accounts for reporting too much. Especially if it is unjustified. And other large accounts can also report the malicious large account reporters.
That's the game theory of it. Reports have consequences. And if they are reporting unjustifiably, we all want to see it to reduce our trust in them.
The cases where they create new npubs are solved better by mute words since there is always something they are reusing, like a fixed url either in the post or in their author's profile. If you insert that url into your hidden words, you will hide all new keys.