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Alright people, we are playing a game of chess here. The one thing, the absolute one thing, we can't do is give up the king. To give up the king, in my humble opinion, is to mess up the base layer. This mistake would disrupt the delicate incentive structure that ensures sound money. That sound money pegs the extremely fragile credit markets and out-of-control G7 policymakers that are creating clown world with their CB fiat policies.

We don’t need the sound, pegged, money to move fast, we don’t need the money to do smart swoopty things, we just need it to be pegged, immutable, and digitally sailable to actually stop the madness of clown world.

By introducing a whole lot of technical complexity to the base layer and potentially screwing with the incentives all so we can connect to a bunch of centralized shitcoin projects is like playing offense with the king when you’re down 7 pieces and the other player still has their entire back row at their disposal.

A. Why the rush!?

B. Why not just go use Monero if you need that level of anominity in your transactions. Why do you have to have it in a wrapper via drivechains?

C. Why risk the king without deep understanding and testing of the technical risk and potential change to incentives?

The beauty of Bitcoin is you can build it and softfork it, and we’ll let the community vote with their nodes. BUT, I for one, have no use for drivechains (that doesn’t mean everyone is like me). And as a result, I will not be updating my node and running any attempted “secret” softfork updates by the miners.

Given what you just said, what do you think about activating CTV and https://anyprevout.xyz/? Are they subject to the same issues? If not, do you support these, or one of these?

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I support ossification.

So you are against any new soft-forks? Were you against Taproot?

OP_VAULT opinions?

Activate it.

I tend to agree with your point on drive chains, there really is no rush and we have more pressing matters at hand. But ossification? We are going to need a hard fork eventually (timestamps), and we should think about getting that done while were all still alive to pull it off, and I'd argue we should do it without wipeout protection meaning...soon, since we are playing against dangerous people like governments and financial institutions.

As does anyone with a spine.

I mean that's just nutty. I understand not activating anything that hasn't been clearly communicated, I understand using BIP-08 instead of BIP-09, but to seriously be completely against an upgrade that makes implementing channel factories significantly simpler is asinine. On what principal? With what purpose? To what end?