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Troy

SimpleX has too many flaws, and it's been that way for over a year with no indication of change.

Just because software is Freedom Tech does not mean it's good, or worthy of serious consideration.

If my car randomly dies every few miles, I don't care what philosophy was behind it, or that it can auto-detect rain.

Jordan S 11mo ago

Well, that's my point is.

People aren't going to use tool likes Session, Threema, SimpleX, Element/Matrix, Viper, etc. protocols since they're more complex.

Signal is the sweetspot of UX, and technical soundness, even if SimpleX is slightly better from a technology privacy aspect.

Every tool needs to be designed with the signal mindset but we need to improve UX in general to be more similar to whatsapp/we chat, discord, and telegram like user base because they're catered to normies, not privacy schizos.

We need to enable Privacy Schizo tools to be usable by normies.

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Troy 11mo ago

First, it should pass functionality tests

Second, it should pass usability tests

Third, it should surpass usability minimums

SimpleX doesn't function.

Hanshan 11mo ago

I use it every day...?

Troy 11mo ago

Good for you.

Jordan S 11mo ago

For me, it works good enough but I recommend Signal to my normies friends.

I use the best tools for who I need to talk to while trying to maintain my privacy.

Hanshan 11mo ago

yeah I stopped trying to get normies on Simplex and just use it for sensitive convos

it isn't intuitive

but I don't get "it doesn't function"

i have my own relays

it literally functions on my own infrastructure 🤷

Shadowy Badger 11mo ago

Yeah it works pretty well

Troy 11mo ago

I launched SimpleX a few days ago and it was telling me that messages from person X were coming from person Y 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️. It did this for several messages. 🤮

It gave me some other serious bugs at the same time.

There are plenty of options that pass the functionality tests for basic electronic communication.

Prior to this experience, I've seen where it doesn't send a message, and doesn't inform the sender. Conversations with pieces missing, and no error anywhere, is a "show stopper" defect for any communication tool.

There is no reason to use a broken tool when working ones exist.

Hanshan 11mo ago

ive had lag and pieces of convos arrive out of order before

but they arrived.

i guess YMMV.

Troy 11mo ago

There are plenty of "It works fine for me folks", but I have encountered plenty of people that have had the same problems I have exxperienced, along with some that I haven't.

If it only works for some random people, then it doesn't work.

IRC doesn't have this problem. Neither does email, telnet, snail mail, telephone, nearly every instant messaging app, forums, BBS's, centralized messaging crap.

I guess you could say it competes well with fax machines and text messaging? Whoopty doo.

Jordan S 11mo ago

SimpleX works good but not for normies, it's still early, and needs to be flushed out more but I think it is improving more over time.

Signal is the best tool for normies until then.

Threema is a close second.

Hanshan 11mo ago

yeah well

none of those protocols are doing anything remotely similar either

if you want drool-proof

use a centralized service

Troy 11mo ago

Many options I mentioned are not centralized.

Hanshan 11mo ago

many of the options you mentioned are meaningless to compare to Simplex