In a socialist society, people would be expected to work and there would be incentives to work, but you would be guaranteed a level of basic provisions, healthcare and education from birth as a human right. They do a semi-decent job of this in the social democratic EU! We can do a similar thing here. If most people contribute to the pot, you don't have to worry because there will be enough to go around.
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That’s what they always say though, and there never is. I’d love it if there were, but every time socialism has been tried it seems to indicate that there doesn’t end up being enough to go around!
That's because democratic socialism has never been tried. Leninism is inherently dictatorial, and social democracy is a good start on the road to socialism. If socialism is ever adopted, it will be by the radicalization of social democratic parties around the western world that unite with leftists around the globe. We would have to imitate the neoliberal movement and Globalize Electoral Leftism.
Third way is not democratic socialism.
Democratic socialists always get gulaged when the revolution comes.
"Democratic socialism has never been tried". Both India and Israel were founded as democratic socialist states and both gave up that ideology.
The problems with post soviet Russia and the current USA are the democracy part, not capitalism. Huge amounts of govt corruption waved away with talk of "our sacred democracy". Countries like China and Vietnam that have retained authoritarian govt but introduced capitalist market reforms have lifted huge swathes of their people out of poverty.
Are you an opponent of democracy? Oh boy. You remind me why libertarians aren't actually interested in equality and just want kids to work in the coal mines.
nostr:npub1grd6pp385tevd8psx9nxzjd4vutg7pycjj49cs3q8gujpg77sjps4752zz can you confirm that is what you want?
I'm e/acc so I want robots in the coal mines. I am not anti democracy.
Who said I'm a libertarian? Limiting who is allowed to vote safeguards democracy. Leftists such as yourself are always trying to reduce the age requirement for voting as well as allowing resident non citizens to vote in elections. Additionally not allowing voter id is a leftist policy. You know these damage democracy and that's why you support it.
Another problem is that democracy requires a homogenous society. If you have a perpetual underclass of victims (cough cough) it’s not going to go well.