I haven't seen a single I was wrong statement from a single Trump supporter. That is a powerful mind virus, I remember many I voted for him because he'll stop the wars statements.
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I supported Trump and am glad we struck Iran. AMA
Are you historically literate?
The only reason for supporting the bombing of Iran must be because I’m illiterate. It’s an easy way to ensure you don’t question your beliefs.
Strawman and the other side
Let's get specific then.
Do you not know or remember that they have been saying Iran was 2 weeks away from a nuclear bomb for 30 years? John McCain singing bomb Iran to the tune of the beach boys 20 years ago?
Do you not know or remember that Iraqs's WMDs were proven to be an intentional lie?
Yes, I truly believe you couldn't possibly know history and support yet another war or Trump in general.
The scare tactics of them being “close” to building a bomb are just main stream rhetoric meant for TV. I’d rather stick to facts.
The first being that they are a hub of terrorism globally, and have been for decades .
The second is that they have been purifying uranium for decades.
The third fact is that they have been stonewalling negotiations for months.
Bombing them ensures that plenty of dads die leaving angry young men with no guidance ensure the next generation of terrorists arrives on schedule.
Negotiation meet scheduled and Israel bombed them the day before.
Yet I'm the sucker.
You’re not being factual. What dads died while we targeted the bunkers..? We aren’t targeting civilian centers, unlike Iran. We’re targeting military centers.
You’re also missing that it’s primarily ideology that’s fueling this.. not revenge.
The people want to be free. It’s Western ideology that allows humans freedom they crave - not a religious dictator.
So no one died at all so far? Or do you have records showing that it was only childless people?
The ideology of hating the west is a lot easier to sell when the west keeps bombing them.
If these bombs don't give them freedom like the last thousand didn't, I guess we'll just drop another 1000 until they are free. This time it will work for sure.
They don’t need reasons to hate us. They have Islam which teaches it. They also scream death to America. They’re ideologically cucked. They don’t hate us because we dropped bombs.
You’re also overly pessimistic. Sometimes winning wars is how peace is achieved.
Total coincidence that the region in the world with the highest population of America haters is the region where America has dropped the most bombs over the longest timeframe.
That’s not true. That was Vietnam and Laos
You don’t seem to know the facts here so I’m just wasting my time with someone who doesn’t even care to learn.
You know we bombed the shit out both of them right?
Not Iran tho you’re changing topics
Sometimes war works. Anyone who studied history knows this
You study gotcha statements and talking points
You changed topics if you think they were changed. I responded because I understand that the topic can be conceptual and global so a new country doesn't mean a new topic only more context.
War is only successful if you are sucker enough to fall for the politicians fallacy.
There are other paths besides bomb them or do nothing.
For the cost of some of these bombs we drop on single person targets we could shower large regions in things that might improve the lives of the common person buying us goodwill instead of hate.
So you believe in government handing out large amounts of money to people who didn’t earn it or build anything. I disagree.
You also don’t think that war solves things. I disagree
Yep. You believe in killing lots and lots of human beings and I don't. Got it.
And your people will be weak and die by the sword because you love peace and forgot that we are a part of nature.
Competition is necessary. Not an option.
I never said I was a pacifist. Show up on my door step with ill intent for me and mine and find out.
I accept violence in real cases of self defense. War is not that. The people are not their government. War inevitably leads to innocents and even people who supported your side getting killed.
The truth is, decent people who have faced real violence in person find it was unnecessary and improve their avoid violence game. I'm guessing you are a desk chair warrior. The other option is genuine psychopath or sociopath but that is more rare.
If this is that important to you spend your money to equip yourself and go fight yourself. Don't use my tax dollars and do it in my name.
How much did AIPAC pay you to make this post?
Engage with the idea or just make ad hominem I suppose
Ask me anything... except that!
I didn’t say “Make a pointed statement pretending to be a genuine question”
No, you just made your own pointed statement and pretended to be prepared to defend it.
In any case, the question is clearly about your motives.
So, what are they?
What motivatese you to both suppport Trump's election and his terrorism?
I remember all the no new wars statements and I’m pissed. Just a neocon with a spray tan
Dave Smith has been saying he shouldn't have supported him.
I don't know who that is.
I voted for him and given the terrible choices we were given I still think it was the better of the two. My vote does not imply support for “him”, though I did and do support some of his policy choices. Ross walks free and the Trojan horse that is Bitcoin is being slowly rolled past the gates. RFK Jr is making some marginal improvements to the nations healthcare and even though DOGE did nothing for the budget, it did shine light in some dark places. I DO NOT SUPPORT BOMBING OTHER COUNTRIES OR SUPPORTING OTHER COUNTRIES IN BOMBING OTHER COUNTRIES. First and foremost I am anti-war, above all my other political priorities. There is no option to vote for less war, only to subvert it by subverting its financing. Therefore I will always vote for the candidate that is better for Bitcoin, even if they are full of shit and just buying votes. I will gladly sell them mine.
You do realize that by casting your vote to him, you are essentially giving an authority you don't have, murder, to him? Everyone who votes is just as guilty as the people they elect. If you were really anti-war, then you wouldn't grant anyone the right to murder, steal, enslave, etc. others through the ballot box.
Respectfully this is the most horseshit argument I have ever heard. While I agree that opting out is the best form of protest the only way to truly do that is to rescind citizenship so as to stop paying taxes. Even then you have to be a citizen somewhere. Until we fix the money, nothing else can be fixed so if I have to wink at the devil to move that train along I’ll do it without hesitation. And no, that doesn’t make me a murderer. Idealism cannot fix the world. Human action can incrementally move us in a better direction.
You really think bitcoin fixes this on its own? That is a horseshit argument.
How did countries have wars on a gold standard?
African slavery, Trail of Tears, and Japanese American internment camps during WW2 all on a gold standard so non war atrocities also still work.
You are the human action you refer to. You need to do better, be better, and fight back harder. Your rationalizations are just free ammo you give your enemies.
Show me the way. What should a person do? I have told you what I think. Tell me what you think. Persuade me.
I just told you. You need to go be an activist.
What does an activist do? Is there an org you promote or is it just waving signs on the corner?
Lazy and you'll never really bother with my causes. Find a way to pay less in taxes. Go find an organization that fights against the government overreach that you most care about and help them.
If you are really incapable of figuring this out on your own I'm partial to the EFF and it is a cause in line with the cypherpunk ethos. Pick groups like 2nd Amendment Foundation over the NRA who are basically a wing of the Republican Party.
Listen dude. I’m engaging with you and trying to draw out and understand your way of thinking. You don’t know me and ad hominem attacks make you look immature. I am a lot of things but I am not a lazy man. People come from different backgrounds and have different ways of engaging in the world. I think if you were to engage with me instead of insulting me you’d find we are more aligned than you think, but maybe I said something in this string that offended you and you’ve already written me off. If so, all good.
Anyway, thank you for giving me something I can chew on. When I have a moment I’ll look up those organizations and see if they resonate with me.
Good luck with the activism! I hope you build the world you want to live in.
But but but he freed Ross 🤡
Yes he did and that, despite all his other bullshit, was a good thing. Ross was definitely not going to be freed of the other side one and we'd still be in this war so on net it was a good thing
Correct. Next election we’ll vote for Trump to free samourai wallet. Then we can thank them for freeing the people they wrongfully imprisoned in the first place.
If you can't criticize your favorite politician, hell, if you have a favorite politician, you are in a cult.
I'm willing to give them some time. There is a good chance (at least for those that really fell for the no war line) that they are going through some shock and disbelief.
We'll know in a few weeks who is totally brainwashed by cult of personality and who is not.