You can't do chargebacks with ecash. It also has better privacy properties than lightning.

Ecash has better UX, as you said, because the overhead of maintaining a lightning node is offloaded to the custodian, who can be compensated in the form of fees.

Is this the value for value everybody keeps talking about? Liquidity management, uptime, and privacy provided in exchange for transaction fees. Seems like a good trade to me b/c I don't want to do all of that work just to zap shitposts.

Which is it? Brittle and complex or better UX? You can't take both sides of the argument.

Not sure why you are accusing me of being a shitcoiner. Do you have a rational line of reasoning or is this just plain old ad hominem?

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simply nonsense, you can definitely claw back ecash. ecash people tell me this is one of the best features.

It seems we are talking past each other. You got a reference I can check out?

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one example

Ah ok. He's talking about reclaiming unclaimed tokens. That's not really a clawback, at least not how I understand the term. This is like an unfinalized lightning transaction that later fails, like with a hold invoice. It's a great feature because it means you aren't sending your money into a black hole.

A clawback (I think the most commonly understood definition of the term) is when you finalize the transaction and then reverse it later. This is how check fraud or credit card fraud works. This is not possible with ecash. Once the token is claimed there is nothing either party can do to reverse that transaction.

The mint can't even act unless the user accused of fraud deanonymizes their ecash token, which they have no incentive to do. Even in that case, the mint can't know for sure which user to reissue it to because they both have the blinded secret. Ecash is too private; the mint knows nothing and can't really act so clawbacks are not possible.

lol sorry for double post. Nostr client issues... Almost triple posted šŸ˜…

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I only recently added the relay index to nostrdb, we should be able to do it now.

I was a huge fan a jb55 until he started shitting on ecash

I still like him. šŸ™‚

Me too

I have legitimate concerns, i’m not allowed to voice this?

Yes

I shit post too much

And get way to high on weed šŸ‘€šŸ¤£

Your free to and I’m glad you are šŸ’Ÿ

Cult doesn't like freedom of speech

It is 2025 and we are connected to the whole world. No need to tolerate people who do not share 100% of our beliefs and with our same level of conviction.

That being said. I need to look into ecash. I just wrote it off, but it probably has some good ideas.