Primal has been bad for Nostr.
Discussion
I think I agree. Mostly their recommendations and sidebar. Very fixable. But they seem to have no desire to appeal to anyone outside of bitcointwitter. Although that is not unique to them, even.
I agree
why? i
* Just a twitter clone
* 2023 shadow ban incident
* Still uses note... instead of nevent1
* No access to "other stuff"
* Rigged trending algo
* Slowest dev yet the best funded nostr project
* Media involving minors stored on the media servers
* should I add more?
add more, I didn't really know
thanks
What's the 2023 shadow ban incident?
"Media involving minors stored on the media servers"🤢
Their media server is notoriously subpar.
I just stopped using them because I didnt like their interface and how they're KYC (huge red flag) but, I had no idea there was all this!👀
They curate the trending list, and got caught suppressing someone quite popular. Turned into a gigantic shitstorm. 😅
Sounds like the devs of Primal would have great careers working for Twitter.
Yeah that was kind of a big deal.
Genuinely though: when you join #Damus you are automatically given a list of “people” with their self-reported “subject matter expert” listing next to it.
One automatically puts their-self into an algorithm that way too. Right?
Yes, that's what Primal also does.
The Primal trending list is a different topic.
No.
nostr:npub192klhzk86sav5mgkfmveyjq50ygqfqnfvq0lvr2yv0zdtvatlhxskg43u7 primal auto follows, whereas damus does not auto-follow anyone outside the damus profile.
Damus suggests folks in categories. It is not perfect. Will improve.
Please do add more.
its sez its “the social b1tc01n wallet” on the landing page, doesnt say anything about nostr
Agree
There can be no good without evil. The universe is demanding balance.
And then this happened. 😬
nostr:note1lkmn2wlqa7pvla9xrqqs73hvhqyx6n3thujs98z5zuh27zqh89rq6tuvrp
🤣 how embarrassing for the best funded app on nostr.
Literally marketed as "Le App Bitcoin", and then they use legit shitcoin libraries. 😅
All of the #Monero guys, who have had to put up with so much crap on here, including from #Primal fanboys, must be looking at this like
nostr:npub1f6ugxyxkknket3kkdgu4k0fu74vmshawermkj8d06sz6jts9t4kslazcka did you see this go down?
I uninstalled Primal over a month ago. It's been lame for too long. After keeping it installed and trying to like it as a backup client for ten months, it was time to say goodbye. What went down? The inclusion of crypto wallets?
They've been using crypto libraries, while marketing themselves as a Bitcoin app, yes, and it sort of bubbled up, due to an attack on the library.
Primal web repo hasn't moved in 6 months, not even a bug-fix, but they rolled back this particular commit, last night. 😅
Their whole "Bitcoin Nostr" schtick always rubbed me the wrong way, anyway, as Nostr isn't supposed to just be for Bitcoiners, and they turned Nostr into a feeder for Strike KYC, but whatever.
Oh wow! I missed that. That sounds very hypocritical. And I agree—I've said it time and time again—if Nostr is only for Bitcoiners, it's dead in the water. But deceptive marketing is not the way. Thanks for the heads up!
I say let the poor marketing continue. Could be a great way to help them dig their own grave🤷♂️.
I'm a Monero guy right after Bitcoin Guy
meh
Primal is obviously the Apple of nostr.
centralized 3rd parties are security holes blah blah
Other than keeping Primal users from experiencing ALL of nostr inc the "other stuff"?
It does seem that way. If you had to make an educated guess, what percentage of total nostr users do you believe use primal as their primary client?
I suspect that it's a majority of those onboarding, lately, unfortunately, but we manage to salvage some of them and get them to other clients.
This is one of their VC boards, FYI.
I suspect a lot of the problems Nostr has been having are a direct result of people onboarding through Primal, but it won't let up until Primal finally goes away or completely reforms.
Why?
The increasing follow-concentration is a direct result of their trending list and their preset follow-list for newbies. This was immediately obvious, from the get-go, but they have just left it like that.
Also, whilst the majority of the other devs and relay-managers immediately jumped on the ReplyGuy issue, Primal was lackadaisical. They are often AWOL, and they don't seem to use the relay, web client, or image server, themselves, on a daily basis, so they let the systems atrophy, and fill up with literal garbage, while performance crawls to a halt.
The other devs are eventually annoyed by their own stuff being broken, since they use it regularly themselves, but Primal devs are like vegan butchers. They can legit watch their repos rot for half a year and not give a damn. I've seen a lot, but that takes the cake.
Primal got way too much funding and way too much adoring press, from the get-go. They're front-and-center at the conferences, of course, talking a big game. They be like
I guess that makes me one of the salvaged users since I only used primal for a few days before I turned to amethyst.
Thank you! I just took a look at this. Wow! Primal is well-funded. I can't deny that. But... it's becoming exactly what it promised not to. I actually just un-installed it.
Lol we don't really need a Bitcoin advertisement platform. Companies like Blackrock and Fidelity are doing all that for us.
nostr:npub1l5sga6xg72phsz5422ykujprejwud075ggrr3z2hwyrfgr7eylqstegx9z there’s valid criticism of any app. Primal is no exception.
What is the point of kicking Primal for using a FOSS dependency, and fixing an exploit quickly?
Why did the devs from other apps have to figure this out and report it to us? Where are their devs? Where are they ever?
Where did they dig up this library? Why were they using it?
Why have they left that repo to rot for 6 months?
Also, they've been like this, from the beginning. I'm incredibly underwhelmed by the entire project. I've always encouraged people to switch to a different kind 01 client, as soon as possible, and I bet that those that switch early, are more likely to stick around.
nostr:npub1l5sga6xg72phsz5422ykujprejwud075ggrr3z2hwyrfgr7eylqstegx9z one of nostr’s strengths is folk outside the app devs figuring out bugs, and sharing this one with the app devs one way or another.
I don’t think I’ll change your view on Primal.
Fixing a bug reported from outside the team quickly is a good thing.
Yes, but I expect them to then be upfront about what happened and _immediately_ investigate it themselves, and openly self-report with their biggest npub.
They should be aggressively transparent.
Yeah, don't bother trying to change my mind on Primal. Waste of your time.
I only use Primal to zap people. Other than that it isn't working for me sadly. Oly using amethyst atm
Primal removed 4 notes from my profile on their page...thankfully I was messing around with noStrudel at the same time and had cached my own data... I was able to post a screen shot of the missing posts. then all of a sudden I couldn't update any of the profile fields...there was human manipulation of my account for sure.... screenshots are still up to see nostr:npub1nht3m5584zawfa99uqgkjk3k7f8z4cwt9uqf68ycvcxsgvtnv2jsgqjq6g
I've tried primal on two seperate occasions and both times I lasted like 5 minutes before I bailed out 😅 Amethyst is just the GOAT!
Prefer Nostrudel, for the nerd-features, like Event Publisher and stuff. Constantly need that stuff.
Interesting, I've never tried Nostrudal, perhaps I should give it a chance. But it's desktop only right?
