Jesus is Jewish, read the Bible! nostr:note14zsjg76yr7apcxx99rj494vzq5a9exenzjmmxcw38q0kwdwuh0fq8ps95v
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He came to the jews and they rejected him
you read the Bible
And Christians are the true inheritors of the promises to Abraham, not the Jews, since they rejected their Messiah. Romans 9 and 11, Galatians 3, etc.
Correct. The only way to God is through Christ. No other way.
New Covenant surpassed Old Covenant
One might even call it a "better covenant."
Hebrews 7:22 ESV
[22] This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.
Jesus was Jewish. No one and nowhere in the Bible does it say otherwise. His Jewishness is never rejected by anyone. Only him being King and the son of God is rejected by some. Why are you trying to argue Jesus wasnโt Jewish with verses that say he was fulfillment of Jewish prophecy? Your choices donโt make sense here
yeah pretty sure this is just pedantry
the fact that most Jews didn't accept the new covenant doesn't make Jesus not Jewish.
And to say โnon-believers are Jewishโ is to say that all of the โ12 apostlesโ are also nonbelievers. These people are insinuating that the Jewish woman Mary Magdalene was aโnonbelieverโ because Jesus was her rabbi??? The first person to see the Lord risen from the dead and proclaim it to others is a โnonbelieverโ now because sheโs Jewish?? Lord help me idek how people get to the point of making such an outrageous claim! โJewish are nonbelieversโ just absurd claim!! I! Canโt! Even!!!!!!
I think their point is basically that since he is the Son of God he transcends his ethnic and cultural heritage. Everyone who believes in Him joins the *new covenant of God but those who don't remain with the old.
In this case they remain Jewish or gentile.
While those who believe partake of the Eternal.
it's pedantic in the end.
Theyโre being weirdos and they need to read the Bible more!!!! iMO!! Just a suggestion coming from me to them ๐ค
Sorry that I gave the impression that I agreed with nostr:nprofile1qqsr836yylem9deatcu08ekfj8qj9f2aypq8ydt0w8dyng8zp8akjsqpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuur0wd6x2u3wwpkxzcm99uz2gxag that Unbelievers are Jewish. I do not. Quite the opposite, in fact. ONLY believers are Jewish.
Romans 2:28-29 ESV
[28] For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. [29] But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
I would not agree with nostr:nprofile1qqsr836yylem9deatcu08ekfj8qj9f2aypq8ydt0w8dyng8zp8akjsqpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuur0wd6x2u3wwpkxzcm99uz2gxag's assertion that unbelievers are Jewish. Rather, I would say that ONLY believers are truly Jewish. And yes, Jesus is a Jew, not t just by ethnic origin, but by faith.
Likewise, only Christians are truly Jewish, or part of the People of Israel.
Romans 2:28-29 ESV
[28] For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. [29] But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
Now, if nostr:nprofile1qqsr836yylem9deatcu08ekfj8qj9f2aypq8ydt0w8dyng8zp8akjsqpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuur0wd6x2u3wwpkxzcm99uz2gxag is meaning that those who profess to be Jewish, but do not have faith in their Messiah, are unbelievers, I would definitely agree with that.
But no, I would not claim Jesus isn't Jewish. He is the promised Messiah, the suffering servant, the son of David and Son of God who will sit on David's throne forevermore. Cannot get much more Jewish than that.
Galatians 3 is a weird choice for your argument tbh because thatโs the letter that says thereโs no such thing as Jews or Gentiles or males or females! Why did you pick that chapter of that letter to back up this statement??
Romans is also a weird choice but for different reasons
Romans 9,Paul laments that his kinsmen according to the flesh (the Jews) have by and large been cut off from the covenant of God, and are accursed. Romans 11 he explains that they were broken off from the vine of God's covenant and Gentiles were grafted in, but that they can be easily grafted back in, should they turn to Christ.
This has nothing to do with the fact that Jesus was Jewish. It doesnโt say anywhere in Romans or Galatians or the entire Bible that Jesus wasnโt Jewish. Again, your choices are weird and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
You seem to think that the discussion at hand is whether or not Jesus is Jewish, with the assumption that nostr:npub1x0r5gflnk2mn6h3c70nvnywpy2j46gzqwg6k7uw6fxswyz0md9qqnhshtn and myself both believe that he is not, but looking back through the conversation, neither of us ever made that claim, so how can that be the discussion at hand?
I made the claim Jesus is Jewish in response to the idiotic โnonbelievers are Jewishโ which would mean Jesus, and majority of earliest followers (12 apostles, Saint Paul, Saint Mary Magdalene, etc etc), are nonbelievers. Itโs bogus hater nonsense and in direct opposition to the gospel truth. Furthermore all sorts of paganism exists and atheism exists. But no; weirdos just want to pick fights with me for saying Jesus is Jewish and then idk ig not really follow the discussion at hand. ๐
Galatians 3:7-9 ESV
[7] Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. [8] And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, โIn you shall all the nations be blessed.โ [9] So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
Galatians 3:16-18 ESV
[16] Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, โAnd to offsprings,โ referring to many, but referring to one, โAnd to your offspring,โ who is Christ. [17] This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. [18] For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Galatians 3:28-29 ESV
[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if you are Christโs, then you are Abrahamโs offspring, heirs according to promise.
In other words, Paul's point of saying there is now no distinction between Jew or Greek is because the promises made to Abraham are only applicable to those who believe in Christ. So neither Jewish descent or Gentile descent matters. Christians, whether descended from Jews or any other nationality, are the only legitimate heirs of the promises made to Abraham and his seed.
None of this has anything to do with the discussion at hand which is that Jesus was Jewish. None of this says that Jesus wasnโt Jewish. Nowhere does anyone in the Bible ever say that Jesus wasnโt Jewish. Jesus died, resurrected from the dead, and ascended into heaven long before the term โChristianโ was ever invented. This is why the word โChristianโ is only used twice in the entire Bible. Read your Bible!
None of what youโre saying supports the bogus claim that Jesusโs Jewishness was rejected by anyone.
I don't believe I ever claimed Jesus isn't Jewish.
What is more, I don't think nostr:npub1x0r5gflnk2mn6h3c70nvnywpy2j46gzqwg6k7uw6fxswyz0md9qqnhshtn ever stated that Jesus isn't Jewish. He said "Jesus is Lord" but never said "Jesus is not Jewish."
I would read that as saying, "Jesus is Lord, and therefore transcends being MERELY Jewish," but I will let him speak for himself as to what he meant by it.
I think Blossom Rot blocked me a long time ago but I said he is Jewish and I don't care. Jesus is Lord, God is not Jewish and being Jewish does not mean anything after Christ. Through Christ you will be with God. Jews screwed themselves over by rejecting God to this very day and hating his son in their satanic hollybook, The Talmud
Are you emphasizing Christ's deity at the exclusion of his humanity? God is not Jewish, but Jesus certainly is, and at the same time, Jesus is also God. It's a paradox, but not a contradiction.
And being Jewish certainly DOES matter even after Christ's coming. At least, being a true Jew does. No one who isn't part of Israel, true Israel, will be saved. The thing is, that has nothing to do with ethnic origin. It has everything to do with having faith like Abraham, and specifically faith in the promised JEWISH messiah.
If you are a Christian, you are part of true Israel, a Jew by faith, regardless of your ethnicity.
Meanwhile, if you are a Jew by ethnicity, but have no faith in Jesus, you are no Jew at all. You are cut off from the covenant people of God. Most who profess to be Jews are no Jews at all in the eyes of God.
The verse doesnโt mean these differences donโt exist. Clearly males, females, Jews, Greeks, slaves, and free people exist and are different from each other in some way. What the verse is saying is that these differences donโt define believers compared to their unity in Christ.
And most critically for this conversation, with the following verse, โAnd if you belong to Christ, then you are Abrahamโs descendants, heirs according to promiseโ itโs hitting home that regardless of physical bloodline, all Christians are Abrahamโs descendants in spirit and covenant.
I know the verse doesnโt mean those differences donโt exist. The term Christian means follower of Christ. Both Jews and Gentiles/Greeks were followers of Christ. Jesus himself was not a Christian because he is literally the Christ.
He was born and raised Jewish, some rejected him as their savior, not his ethnoreligious status within society though. That is actually why they killed him.
If he hadnโt been Jewish then he wouldnโt have fulfilled the prophecies. Read the Bible!
Many Jews embraced him. The twelve disciples, Paul, and the church written to in Hebrews.
But the entire Church is Godโs priestly nation now, no matter oneโs ethnicity. Galatians 3:28 says of believers: โThere is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.โ
Iโve read it multiple times โฆ you donโt want to debate the Bible with me