Nostr Web Client

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SGT.FISH

Honestly long term it could be a isseu tho say it is such a big hit it becomes the defacto default

What are the third order effects 🤷‍♂️

Noshole 1y ago

That’s just freedom of listening, which to me is equally important as freedom of speech.

I am free to say what I want and listen to or not listen to what I want. If it becomes popular, that’s their autonomy.

Let’s say for right now there are two options:

-women want to feel safe

-nostr becomes a male-only protocol

Which would be more detrimental?

I’m just saying, I don’t care if men want to be masculine, but why can’t women be feminine? I might not have as tough of skin as many, but why should I HAVE TO if that’s not what I want for myself? I like that I’m a little sensitive and should be sovereign enough to protect that if I want.

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SGT.FISH 1y ago

Woman can be feminine and want that tool

I am not out here saying grow thick skin i am just saying lets look at all aspects of this tool.

Discussing not argueing

Noshole 1y ago

100%. I’m not arguing either, just kind of presenting a different perspective.

But it’s hard to say based on all the information we’ve got right now. 1.) there’s no way of actually predicting how many users would implement it or it’s popularity and 2.) if it’s even finished (people were requesting something, he built something, and it’s usable right now to a certain extent). Who’s to say he’s not gonna add to it or allow more customization in the future like many other nostr tools have down. And perhaps if people weren’t immediately attacking individuals who built something instead offered their ideas in a humane and constructive manner, maybe they would get done. Or they could build it themselves.

The efficacy of communication going back and forth right now is a little elementary and cringe for me.

SGT.FISH 1y ago

Alright i think we have to agree to disagree on this topic i see it as a killer bee situation it could have dire consequens.

Also realistic enough to say well if thats where nostr ends up at it needs to go back to the drawing board anyway.

Do respect your perspective tho not blind to the demand and possible benefits

Noshole 1y ago

I mean it totally could be detrimental to free speech if that’s how the majority chooses to use it. It’s too tricky a line between right to free speech and right to have peace (whatever that looks like to an individual) That I have never figured out.

But just for imagination’s sake: what if this tool evolves to the point where it does not rely on a given list of terms and instead a list that each user chooses to enter or not.

Let’s say there’s a big shitcoin presence in your feed and you’re a Bitcoin maxi, and don’t even wanna see that shit, but there’s so much of it that you keep having to go through your feed and continuously muting shitcoin accounts.

And what if this tool allowed you to type in the words: etherium, monero, or whatever the fuck and you never have to see that shit again.

Would that still be an example of a “killer bee” situation to you?

SGT.FISH 1y ago

I have no isseu with a mute sentence or words list for each user individually amethyst actually does this and big fan of it.

The reporting users/automated nature of it is what i struggle with.

When amethyst was doing auto-muting so many users got muted for me for no reason.

If you wanna mute certain words for yourself all the power to you

Noshole 1y ago

Ahhhhhh I just found out that we were never disagreeing to begin with. I don’t personally like the reporting aspect, but who decides what to do when things are “reported”? Like does “reporting” actually work here?

Kendy 1y ago

Relay operators can ban/censor npubs. Clients (I think) can ban/censor npubs.

Intuition leads me to believe if 1 of your 8 connected relays bans an npub, and you share at least 1 of your 7 other relays with that npub, you’ll still see their notes.

Which means client banning is probably more comprehensive (than relay banning) IF many people use that client.

Regarding earlier in this thread, I don’t believe you have a right to your subjective definition of peace at all times. I believe you should be given the tools to mute and/ curate your own algorithm to work towards your definition of peace. Which will realistically require continuous light maintenance. I doubt (and hope) you’re not asking for a utopia here. These are good conversations and your desires are valid.

Noshole 1y ago

I didn’t actually personally ask for it or collaborate on it, nor have I even used it yet. I was attempting to support the choice of those that did. I continuously mute/unfollow people myself.

What I personally want is a customizable mini feed within the larger feed of all the people I follow that are just my closer friends (like a top 20 friend list) so I have a place I can just interact with my friends on here without all the randos slurring about.

Kendy 1y ago

Ooo that’s a good idea. Maybe a 2nd account could be a workaround for you for now.

SGT.FISH 1y ago

I was pretty tired and not fully aware what the reporting does when it comes to that bot.

As i understand it will lead to you being muted on those relays and his client.

And yeah we are agreeing

Zero isseu with mute words for myself

As example i have giveaway muted but it wont auto mute/report users who have done one i just dont see it