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I'm glad we cook at home and grow some of our own food.

Every job is a service.

Shitty rude bar tenders and amateur unetiquette "waitresses" don't deserve my zaps. ...

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They already force 18% into the bill as mandatory tip and force everyone to pay with CBDC. The restaurant and bar industry will never get my support again.

How about I tip with with they fiat but they have to zap me? No need for the ATM lol Maybe then I'll go to a restaurant again.

What can they do for me instead of a low quality meal and cutting me off mid convoy and reaching over my food.

They would never even be hired in Europe. In Europe they pay them more than a hospital worker in the USA and if u try to tip them they get offended as if you're throwing dimes at a beggar....

I can't stand tiooibg culture.

Its exactly what enables low wages and less effort.

Nobody tips any other type of employee for JUST DOING THEIR JOB.

if you're tipping, you're responsible for their low wages and enabling a crooked business to continue exploiting them...

SuiGenerisJohn 11mo ago

I appreciate your very European(or non-USA) take here, and am flattered by the lengthy response from the ubiquitous wolf. I don't exactly disagree with you but we have a culture of tipping here and I've worked in the service industry before I became a suit. So long as we have a tipping culture, which we just do, it just is, this will be very good for service industry folk and actually avoid exploitation where many operators find ways to siphon tips from their employees and other stupid shit. I like the idea that you could make a decent living bar tending through college, or serving nice steaks and just take that money home without having to dick around with the IRS.

FWIW, there are no solutions only trade offs.

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cryptowolf 11mo ago

I agree with the last part, unfortunately that's not the society we live in. Thanks for not getting offended.

I get asked to tip at fast food places that don't even serve you and just toss you a burger and the point of sale with 15% default and won't accept cash.

Its personal now for me against the 'service" industry.

I've spent a long time in Europe and am Canadian and live here. We have the same problems.

One of the reasons we moved out the city and went rural.

Too much nonsense in society.

We are hermits now.

Maybe we can't get rid of tipping culture over night, but we gotta start somewhere.

Maybe then people will stop taking those shitty jobs and owners will be forced to pay a living wage with perks.

I say this to protect the workers and raise our standards!

The fastfood operators don't even speak any of the official languages here and have signs up in Hindi for Subway Sanwhiches.

Whata a joke!

SuiGenerisJohn 11mo ago

I feel you friend. And disagreement is where I find my lifeforce, no offense possible in discussion. I understand your position, truly. I just know so many plebs out there just shaking their asses, or strokin' pepper mills, trying to make a living and as a stop gap, I'd love to have them just take that cash home and put it to work. Who knows what tomorrow brings, but I've got to focus on today.

cryptowolf 11mo ago

The ones that put in the effort to go above and beyond, I will make exceptions and tip.

But it should not be expected or forced into the bill, then it doesn't matter what kind of service you get, your moneys gone!

SuiGenerisJohn 11mo ago

Freedom of contract has to prevail, it should be between the server and the customer (not the owner or his payment platform). I agree 100%. If they try to embed a tip: GFY. In otherwords, in a no-tax-on-tips environment, there is 0% chance I'll go anywhere that includes a default tip. ZERO

Carl 11mo ago

My wife and I own and operate a small pizza chain in SW Michigan and have for about 38 years. We are probably 90% take out. It took me years to allow a tip jar - and then I did about 15 or so years ago. Nobody really tipped at a take out place before that.

But the employees only make so much. And it’s not like we can just give $2.00 raise to everyone and hope to stay in business.

Christ the food cost alone has forced me to raise prices quite a bit over the last 2 years. Thankfully I’m not a burger place where it cost $80.00 for a family of four to get merely burgers, fries and a pop. You can still get a 16” pizza and a 2 liter for four people for 25-30 bucks.

(I’ve had successes and failures - thankfully a few more successful pizzerias than bad ones)

I’ve also owned a bar/restaurant and know how difficult they are to keep open, staffed and profitable.

I’m good with tipping. In fact I am a very good tipper.

And I’m glad our customers like our product and our people enough to tip. It’s good for our employees and mskes them feel good as well.

Just my 2 pennies.

I wish you well.