this is how it works in a market

seller makes an offer

sales are good or shit

price is adjusted, promotions are made

sales are hopefully better

donation model, so called v4v does not work

you set a price, people feel more secure, and if your price is too low, you get bad sales as well btw

it's a guessing game that you can't cheat around with wishy washy socialist fantasies

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Goods in a market are not infinitely reproducible for little to zero cost. Digital content is. V4V is not viable in all use cases. Neither are fixed prices and paywalls.

I think there’s potential in a half way house between v4v and traditional business:

“Low-ball me for the high-quality and hard to replicate work I’ve performed for you and I’ll black-list you for x months.”

That is utilizing negative reinforcement and is punitive in nature. It does not foster positive mutually beneficial relationships between creators and their audience, which is what any creator wants and needs. V4V does.

lol wtf

Good points but most people seem quite content with a punitive system:

Work for this money which ‘only’ loses 2% of its value per year.

most people are happy with what i described a few levels up

you make an offer, people buy, or not... if not, you revise your offer, hopefully you get it right

that's how it works in real life

this other stuff is mushy brained impractical nonsense that has no relation to the market

Again you are describing negotiating price for a finite good. V4V is a monetization approach for digital content, which is not at all finite. Two different problems. Each has their place and each is in fact in use. If it's not to your liking or your preference, then subscriptions and paywalls exist along with all the challenges that come along with those. I'm not understanding your insistence on being rude and obnoxious in your replies, though. That's a little off putting if you're trying to convince anyone that you have good ideas.

"finite good"

bro, there is no good that isn't finite

if it's not finite, it doesn't need economising

if it's infinite in supply then it costs nothing

an example of such a good is air, which for the most part is completely gratis

That's because V4V is more of an ongoing relationship than a one time exchange.

v4v sounds like a cult

The economy and life fluctuates. Sometimes we're riding high with excess spending cash and sometimes we can't afford two shillings. If you keep a customer through the hard times you'll have a customer when they're at their best and if they value that relationship they'll reward you for it. And as everyone hits their high at random times, if your product has real value, you'll always have someone rewarding you

And V4V gets you something more also. If someone doesn't have the money to pay, maybe they have skills and time. They can assist with making your product better in exchange for more of it. They can assist with marketing, artwork, etc that you otherwise wouldn't have gotten by trying to hire someone outright and having to over pay yourself.

I’m here for the sxizzoeijfb stream

V4V is the LEAST socialist. It can literally cut out governments altogether. It's the original free market, long before central banking, it circumvents tyrannical taxing. Instead of money, you can offer services, artwork, reciprocating product. Don't just limit your thinking to "they pay me what they want". Even before language we, as animals, exchanged sex for meat, survival for cooperation, shelter for fruit, etc. Then we exchanged chickens for dental work, hides for weapons, and so forth.