How is a new user supposed to use a self-custody wallet to get a Lightning address? I donāt think itās necessary to be a purist. #[5]ā is a very good beginner wallet for most people to explore how the Lightning Network operates. They can move on when theyāre ready.
We had a discussion about this earlier today in Nests.
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Lol, most serious bitcoiners donāt even use self-custodial LN setups. Suggestions otherwise are a larp. The real difference is that established bitcoiners likely understand that WoS is custodial and therefor comes with certain risks. Risks that we as uses deem acceptable - acceptable, because USABILITY MATTERS.
So this is ultimately what we need to be educating new users on - tradeoffs over faux purism. There are no perfect solutions. Only tradeoffs. Just this realization is enough to send most people down the rabbit hole.
Yes.
So I had to step back and think about this a bit. As a technical person and bit of a self hosting maxamlist I find it extremely frustrating when people just default to a custodian because its easy. I feel like defaulting to custodians makes for lazy bitcoiners who will never want to learn the tech side because it "just works why run a node or learn when someone will do it for me". and that concerns me.
That being said, ill coincide that not everyone will be running nodes and much as I personally don't like them, letting someone get comfortable with how the network functions via a custodian is really the only option we have right now. Even when I let my friends use my node i'm still their "custodian". As long as the trade-offs are explained and understood. This is probably a function of me not paying attention to new users much but I don't really see trade-offs being explained well and I always find it ironic when people say they are ready to fight the state with a WOS addy in their bio.
TL;DR I guess need to stop being so salty.
Iām glad to see you coming around on this perspective. You may not see it much yourself, but I and others here talk about the trade-offs all the time. Itās one of the reasons we started #Nodestrich, to help people run nodes and find others to learn from so they can make more informed decisions.
Iām a decently tech-savvy person, but when I orange-pilled I did custody and bought on exchanges. I just didnāt feel comfortable diving in headfirst. I did my research and due diligence and evolved to make the correct decisions about privacy and ownership, but I still needed that on-ramp.
For nostr, Iām using WoS as a similar on-ramp. I have only bothered with the DCA game and never had a reason to participate on the LN, so I wasnāt/havenāt been ready to plunge into it just yet.
I think this is a natural progression for a lot of people and a totally valid one.
