Lightning uses onion routing.

Tor implemented onion routing, which Lightning copied.

Try reading the Tor whitepaper, it's right there at the beginning what onion routing can't protect you against: a global passive adversary.

A GPA has existed for many years. It's called the NSA.

Onion routing doesn't provide you with the privacy and anonymity you think it does, sorry.

(but it's better than nothing)

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Completely agree. The best way to preserve your privacy and anonymity online is to not use the internet.

Yes, but that's not what I meant, and I think you know it.

Look at https://nym.com for one example of what could become the golden standard.

Technology progresses, both offensive and defensive. The people who run the DNMs and the people who use them know well that LN is not sufficient, and that's why they don't use it.

This is the free market doing its thing.

Try not to look at this like "XMR rocks baby, LN sucks!", but more like dispassionately observing and acknowledging the facts and adjusting your threat model accordingly.

Yeah, I don't look at it in the way that one is better at privacy, so hence the other is bad; it's more of me saying Monero isn't AS good as those who love it say it is either (as we've seen with some evidence of deanonymizong/tracing back transactions), so users of both need to adjust their threat models.

I have other issues with Monero that I believe make it unsuitable for a secure and reliable market currency in the long-run. Free flowing, uncensorable markets should be the default, not just darknet sites for others to search out for, so they must be accessible and have the ability to spread rapidly, which I think LN and ecash allow for more readily (while still preserving privacy, albeit not perfectly) as they are tied to a much better money.

They both have their issues and their workarounds, for sure.

Personally I find Monero easier to understand so I prefer to use it, and as long as there is a non-centralized bridge back and forth between Monero and Bitcoin, I am happy.

Different tools and competition between them is a good thing imo. People will choose as they choose, for their own reasons, and one way or another, they will reap the benefits or suffer the consequences of their own choices.

I think it's harder to ask for anything better than that 👍.

This is the way; the free market at work. 🤝