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Dissident Sound 2y ago

all of the Pedophile instances from the Fedi are going to become Nostr Communities in a matter of time and we are going to need a way to remove content that is blatant child porn ...

if anybody posts Child Porn outside of communities that's their own problem IMO but if somebody posts it in my community it is now my problem ...

childlove.space ( a Pedophile community ) just went down YESTERDAY. these Fedi instances keep going down because somebody inevitably posts Child Porn even though it's against the rules ...

but at least Fedi instances can remove that content ( not fast enough ) whereas NOSTR Communities can't do shit !

this is not a hypothetical situation this is something that will become a real problem very soon. muting a post containing Child Porn is not good enough for a Community because it will stay there for everybody else to see.

i am currently not posting ANY Images to my "SexAsHumanRight" community because once it starts it's only a matter of time before somebody posts Child Porn. and then what ?

this is more or less an emergency IMO - mods need a way to remove posts from Communities and soon ...

PS: this is NOT a stand against child porn. it's me fearing my community will be destroyed by Trolls and Retards.

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hzrd149 2y ago

I think this is a solvable problem. although its not as easy as other social media because nostr is built to be censorship resistant.

The job of removing Illegal content will probably fall on the relay ( maybe with help from users with reporting )

As for removing content in communities I think the same applies since communities can specify which relays they are primarily using. Although for muting/banning one-off posts or users some kind of "community mute list" might make sense. thoughts nostr:npub1lunaq893u4hmtpvqxpk8hfmtkqmm7ggutdtnc4hyuux2skr4ttcqr827lj?

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nobody 2y ago

Lowest common denominator is always an issue with free speech in anon world.

This is a huge issue. I appreciate the original post & think this needs immediate focus.

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Stuart Bowman 2y ago

Definitely a relay level issue. Aside from per-user or per-community mute lists there’s not much clients can do. Community-specific relays seem like the most natural solution.

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mattybs 2y ago

Community-specific relays sound like a better design anyway. A relay can be a community, and keeps it L1

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Dissident Sound 2y ago

how do you start a new community then ? right now it's a few clicks and you're in business.

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hzrd149 2y ago

You can always create a community on the free public relays but banning users or content would be difficult.

Although I'd imagine that community specific relays that offer to "host" your community may be a thing. That or you can run your own relay, like a fedi instance where you have full control over who is allowed to post

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Dissident Sound 2y ago

smaller moderated spaces on private relays within a larger unmoderated space on public relays.

i like this idea.

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splinter 2y ago

I disagree, CP is primarily the problem of the site that hosts the media and the site which displays it.

Relays are neither of those, relays just carry text that a client displays. Yes they could carry a URL to CP, but that media is hosted somewhere else and if no client displays the URL, then no CP ever gets distributed.

Trying to moderate at a relay level is even harder and more impractical than it is to do at a client level. Even if you could find a relay admin who wants to actively monitor what makes it to the relay, they would require a client to view that.

I don't think that community-specific relays are a good solution, they go against the idea that relays are interchangeable and will lead to the further fragmentation of Nostr into network islands.

For clarity, I think all relays should have some basic filters in place, but they will always be relatively easy to circumvent. Clients have more options at their disposal to figure out which content to display.

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w3ird_ 2y ago

I think a mute list would be great for multi-community clients or really just any client that wants to block certain kinds of content but wants to benefit from the curration from the community.

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Bass 2y ago

What about an opt-in to a community mute list? So a user can choose to opt into a list curated by community reaction to the post. If people flagged the post as porn, then whoever opts into the list would have that content/post filtered out just as if it were if they had blocked it.

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Dissident Sound 2y ago

the control of community should be in the hands of the mods not users. that wouldn't make it reddit, which exercises censorship not by modding communities but by closing them altogether. basically all right-wing communities were closed by reddit.

the idea is to have tight moderation within a community BUT you can start your own community on any subject. for example you can start "I Love Hilter" community and then within that community as a mod you can ban anybody who doesn't love Hitler.

or you can start "Children are Sex Machines" community, and again, ban all anti-pedophiles from your community.

otherwise you will get censorship by the mob. get it ?

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Dissident Sound 2y ago

of course if the content of the community is illegal then government can go after the operator of the relay. but it would have to actually be illegal. loving Hitler is not illegal, yet you can bet your ass you couldn't have an "I Love Hitler" reddit. if they closed the Trump reddit they certainly would not allow a Hitler one.

my point is moderation is different from censorship, because there would not be any platform-wide ideology, like there is on Reddit, Twitter and everywhere else ( except Fediverse ).

and the problem with Fediverse is a user is tied to an instance and if the instance is blocked everybody on it is blocked. on other hand with NOSTR you would not be tied to any community in any way, so it would not be like Fedi and it would not be like Reddit.