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"Find me another state in the world where individual property rights are more engrained in the people than in the US."

This is not a question about trade-offs, this is not about someone's personal wealth or proclivities.

The answer is simple. "There isn't one." Doesn't mean you shouldn't have a backup country just in case, but that wasn't the question.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

My answer is it doesn’t matter. He stated that the culture is what pushes people toward property that can’t be seized. But the government has ruled eminent domain supersedes individual property rights. Culture doesn’t stop government corruption.

Plus the argument is a little misleading. No human in their right mind that has earned their own wealth, wants to lose their wealth. I don’t think valuing individual property rights is a cultural phenomenon. It is human nature. No one likes losing their property. You can see this in young children that don’t like to share or give away their things. They have to be taught to share.

Sweden didn’t lock down their country during Covid but most of the US did. Does that mean people in Sweden value property rights more? American’s belief in property rights and our freedom culture didn’t change anything with respect to their freedom to go wherever they want or live how they want.

Americans can wave their flag and claim they are free as much as they want but when they pay 40% tax and get spied on by their government, they are not free. And when the Supreme Court rules government has authority to take your property, what does it matter if the people believe in property rights?

The government can claim there is necessity for whatever reason and come take your home, car, money, and the shirt off your back. This is what they did with 6102. It’s like Snowden said before, the reason people need to use privacy tools with Bitcoin is because we are not free. It doesn’t matter how much we pound our chests about the founding fathers or property rights or the constitution. The government taxes nearly half your wealth, requires licenses to do business, requires registration to drive a car, and spies on you.

I’ve heard people argue that one should vote with his feet by going to the state that treats him best. But why doesn’t that logic apply to countries as well? This culture of freedom is just a delusion and it prevents people from seriously looking for alternatives outside of the US. As if every other country is more tyrannical. You don’t have to go to china but there are countries with small governments that don’t have the resources to extort you the way the US can.

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Modus 1y ago

"[During COVID], American’s belief in property rights and our freedom culture didn’t change anything with respect to their freedom to go wherever they want or live how they want."

Holy crap, yes it did! To a massive extent! Maybe not in your neck of the woods, but many large areas of this country were totally free. The federal government proclaimed many things, but their actual power was not enough to police everything.

The greatest lie the government ever told is that it's all-powerful.

"And when the Supreme Court rules government has authority to take your property, what does it matter if the people believe in property rights."

Ask Ammon Bundy.

There are properties in the US that government currently will not try to seize because they don't want to get shot at. Small-scale defense is no joke.

"I’ve heard people argue that one should vote with his feet by going to the state that treats him best. But why doesn’t that logic apply to countries as well?"

It does apply to countries, and RELATIVE TO THE OTHER OPTIONS the US a good place to be.

The original comment was asking you to name a country and you still haven't named one.

You did finally mention "small countries" so I can actually smell the scent of some kind of actual answer that you seem to be gesturing at, but keep in mind that small countries can be trampled by large countries at any time. The only reason you can find freedom in a small country is the same reason you can find freedom in rural California: it's a matter of the people around you, and how well-armed they are. Outside the US, freedom-loving people are not well armed.

You are actually making the argument that governments are the most important consideration for freedom/unfreedom. I think governments are less relevant to freedom than you think they are.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

I said that it’s irrelevant what the people think about property rights. What matters are your actual property rights and they are not the best in the world. I’m also not interested in having a shootout with trained killers from a small apartment.

Here are some places where you can have more freedom as a nomad

Modus 1y ago

I think most property rights cannot be protected by lone individuals. Bitcoin Brain Wallets are the exception.

MAHDOOD 1y ago

I agree with that. Ideally you don’t want to be in the position where you need to use a brain wallet. The best defense is being able to avoid being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Modus 1y ago

That's cool bro... Did you catch the game last night?

MAHDOOD 1y ago

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