Nostr Web Client

The problem is that it's too difficult to build "bubbles" on here. On Twitter, I see a completely different feed from most of the Bitcoiners: full of modest fashion, theology, German politics, economics, etc.

It was actually interesting to those people, when I occasionally wrote something about Bitcoin because they didn't see that much. On here, I avoid writing about it, as I feel like I'm just adding to the noise, and I'm obviously not drinking the kool-aid hard enough to please the really religious that dominate, so my comments always fill up with The Hyperventilating And Hysterical.

I'm like a normie Bitcoiner. Nondenominational Bitcoiner. Also, I'm poor. Nobody wants to hear from poor Bitcoiners. 😅 Theoretically, we don't actually exist. In reality, we're the vast majority.

7fqx 1y ago

I think a lot of the post Actually About Bitcoin get lost in the Slogans About Bitcoin and posts About The Price of Bitcoin. Which is why some people mute the word(s) on nostr, when there is no real need to do this on twitter, even if your twitter feed I s a bit bitcointwitter bubble.

Lack of subculture bubbles, definitely. Lack of mechanisms to foster subcultures thriving here and little or no reach to attract other subcultures here in the first place.

But mostly no one cares cos they want bitcointwitter2, and they have it too lol.

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Silberengel 1y ago

Yeah, they usually deny that there's even a problem. What is the problem? Why would anyone want to talk about anything other than Bitcoin? There _is_ nothing other than Bitcoin.

Fiddling, while Rome burns.

7fqx 1y ago

it's quite literally the most common and damning complaint about nostr lol

but it gets brushed under the rug with 'they're not ready for freedomtech' and 'there's no algo here to spoonfeed you on nostr'. completely ignoring the cultural problem and lack of network effect and even worse... a lack of any hope for a network effect.

it's sorta funny for a bit, but it's been the same since i've joined a wee bit ago now.

ChipTuner 1y ago

bitcoin fixes everything

liminal 🦠 1y ago

There's a real irony here. Why is it even annoying to bring it up? What are you going to do when the next group comes around, sees the fire, doesn't complain and builds a solution? Don't get left in the dust.

Silberengel 1y ago

The developers and memers and etc. have formed such a safe bubble, that they don't face direct competitive pressure, so they don't react quickly to market conditions. The pressure has only been from outside Nostr, and that's easier to ignore because "they don't understand how great the protocol is", "they don't understand how great Bitcoin is", "they don't understand how great our devs are", "they don't understand how wonderful we are".

That doesn't make the conditions go away, but it does leave them wide-open to being replaced by someone from _within_ their bubble, who understands that the current implementations of the protocol are poorly designed, and offers a viable, smoothly-running alternative.

As soon as one person or team breaks ranks, it's over.

Niel Liesmons 1y ago

Properly catering to communities is going to be disruptive af, there's no way around that.

A big part of the current NIPs don't apply or are badly designed (even for the Twitter clones).

A big part of the currently used terminology doesn't apply neither.

Follow lists ❌

Kind 1 replies ❌

NIP-05 ❌

"Log In", "Account", "Web Of Trust", ... ❌

Etc...

Luckily, relays are communities (by default) and keys, events and bitcoin make them interoperable (by default). Just need to build out from there.

liminal 🦠 1y ago

There's a second level of irony I'm finding along the lines of - "If your complaining why don't you build your own client?"

That's the thing. We are, and we're really not playing around.

Silberengel 1y ago

Lol yeah. 🤝