I can't even imagine what being an MSNBC viewer does to your brain. That goes for all of the mockingbird media brands as well. She sets up the question with a propaganda framing of "vaccines causing autism has already been debunked." Then this quack, who used to be former vaccine chief at the CDC, chimes in by saying everything from the covid vaccines are safe and that removing thimerosal (mercury) from the flu shot was a mistake. Having these people making health policy is no different from hiring an assassin to take out your kids, because that's what these people are.