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The problem is that all govt interventions have unseen & unexpected costs, they are usually based on hidden agendas, & the overwhelming majority have massively net negative outcomes.

If the power to control people's lives exists then it will be abused. Even if you like one particular outcome, what gives you the right to remove options from other people? I've never littered, why should I be punished?

Maybe you should start picking up trash & get a group of people to help you do sonething productive rather than support the destruction of useful things.

The reality is that everything would be better if political power was destroyed entirely, so supporting power when it serves you at the expense of others is no better than anyone else using it to serve themselves in a way that harms you instead.
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IslandHodl 2y ago

The “reality” you describe is an unknowable fantasy. What examples of this reality can you point to from history?. I’m sure we agree on a lot of things but being that this “reality” is impossible and never going to happen, so why be so anchored to ideological purism?

The reason I entered this discussion is because you picked a very bad example for your “clown world” meme.

In the UK the plastic bag issue is probably the only thing positive that has happened in 15 years. There are a thousand examples of things that could support your narrative, you just picked one of the very few things that doesn’t.

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Jeff Swann 2y ago

The most prosperous places in the world have been those that are most politically restrained & economically free. When political power grows it necessarily destroys economic freedom & as a result whatever prosperity there may have been begins to crumble. Countries that have built up lots of economic capital can drag on feeding political parasites for decades, but eventually the parasites think they can get away with anything, & then everything collapses.

Western countires are approaching that final stage now. The record of history is crystal clear on this issue. The govt is the only entity left in places like Cuba & Venezuela & so many others because power hungry politicians sought to "fix" every problem via theft & force & coercion. And people like you go along with it because you don't want to have to do anything yourself, you want to vote problems away at the expense of everyone else. It's a deep cultural problem that grows from the top down & bottom up at the same time.

This covers the issue pretty well

https://fountain.fm/episode/XlECX8WQPPpo4Apa3G52