I'm a libertarian. Just don't hurt people and don't take their stuff... Tell me what's retarded and I'll tell you if I agree.
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censorthis isnt worth arguing with dude
Why would you say that, I’m endlessly reasonable if you are as well.
Even if I disagree with you, as long as you’re not retarded I’m again endlessly reasonable
Ok, so how do you handle people who hurt people? How do you handle thieves?
How do you handle groups of people that want to hurt people? How do you handle groups of thieves?
Are those the only two guiding principals?
You arrest them. Libertarianism is not stateless and lawless.
Most libertarians have explained themselves to be essentially anarchists. What’s your version, and how do you define harm?
If you’re for police, courts, and some military aren’t you essentially conservative? (Not the RINO fucks of today, but actual conservatives).
Do you consider yourself to be conservative? Do you believe that a non-RINO conservative would support state schools, or believe that gay marriage and hard drug use should be legal? You might be right.
I’m not sure what I am anymore.
That's fine. What about the other questions?
State school, yes, but Christian influenced
Faggots? There’d be sympathy for them but they’re back in the closet and shamed
Drug use, not sure, likely no
State school. Absolutely not.
The government also has no role in policing pervertedness / gayness.
But it should be communally shamed.
So, you’d have openly faggot military? Police? You’d allow faggot schools where they’d openly molest kids (because that’s how gays are made, molestation and trauma).
You’d have a nation of general retards because few kids are taught to read?
Why on earth would we need state schools so people know how to read. As if government is the only institution that can teach literature? Military and police would be don't ask don't tell policy. So long as they pass fitness and mental exams for the job its fine.
I think most people are gay because going through adolescence is very confusing. And we have a culture that promotes and celebrates faggotry. So instead of realizing they were just confused, they convince themselves to believe that they are gay. They have every incentive to come out as such and little incentive to change their minds to be normal.
Don’t ask/ don’t tell didn’t work. See gays in the military today.
We all benefit from a more educated populace, that means government schools. Obviously, not in its current iteration. The current system is a horrid cesspool captured by talmudic jews who hate those they’re supposed to guide/teach.
And you think state school makes us more educated? See I believe state school existence makes everyone less educated. That has been the result.
Everyone is more educated than they would have been, that’s fairly provable.
Even the retarded invader children have more “education.”
The problem is they’re being indoctrinated. Taught what to think, not how to think.
You’re upset about the result, not the potentiality of processes to get different results.
The incentives always lend these results. There is no process you could change.
Defeatist way of thinking.
Take the jews and blacks out of education and it immediately improves.
It's not defeatist to understand reality.
It is when your understanding of reality is defeatist
If we had homogenous societies neither of these would be a bad option hahaha
True.
Import the third world, become the third world
I don't understand how it's defeatist to assume people can educate themselves rather than having to rely on the state to do it for them. Seems the opposite of defeatist to me. The defeatist pov would be that people are incapable of doing things themselves so we must be led to do so.
It’s defeatist assuming things have to go bad no matter what.
It’s not about relying on the state, but having that as an option.
You know as I do that most parents aren’t intelligent enough to teach their children well. There needs to be an overall option. Again, not what we have today which does not work.
I think I disagree that most parents aren't intelligent enough to teach their own children. I think most parents have their priorities way out of line. College is for high skill and high education. Basic education can be taught by anyone. Most parents have basic skills and can pass them down to their children. We should have big schools as an alternative but there's nothing about that that means it inherently must be taxpayer funded and ran by the state. They can easily be community run or private. There are more ways to educate a population than either the binary option of home school or state school.
Perhaps if America was homogenous. The avg 100iq white can teach their children.
Unfortunately we’re overrun with 85iq third worlders that need to be deported.
I guess you’re right, no reason to spend taxes on retards that will never be able to fully use the resources anyway.
This is also why freedom of association is so important moving forward. Third worlders are an anchor and noose drowning intelligent whites.
Yea man there's nothing about skin color that makes you poor or dumb. Of course there are disparities in population percentages across different races but you know the color of your skin can't actually make you stupid or smart right? Like this is a retarded take and you're white I'm assuming.
You’re not aware that blank slate theory is a lie? IQ is genetic.
Look at avg IQs of: Africa, India, South America, Europe.
There’s a reason why some civilizations thrive and others still have dirt huts. IQ is base computing power that makes it happen.
Are you really not aware of the massive IQ difference between the races?
nostr:npub1zmc6qyqdfnllhnzzxr5wpepfpnzcf8q6m3jdveflmgruqvd3qa9sjv7f60 this is the most important point of our conversation here, nothing else matters if this realization doesn’t or can’t hit home.
Whether you like it or not IQ is not a measure of our value as human beings. So we must figure out how to get along.
Ehhh or we can completely separate from one another because we don't want to have to deal with people attempting to scam us at every turn like lower IQ regions are.
What does "measure of human value" really mean if not patterns of behavior? And are intelligent people not more likely to behave well on average than people of lesser intelligence?
What if we just "got along" by having well behaved intelligent people in some places and then the poorly behaved stupid people in separate places? Can we do that? Or do intelligent people need to be forced to play babysitter to degenerate retards for some reason? Is it because it's the "nice" thing to do? Doesn't seem like a very "nice" solution for the intelligent people to me.
If intelligence isn't a measure of human value what is?
I agree that "IQ" isn't a perfect measurement. But let's not pretend that intelligence is meaningless when it comes to societal trajectory.
Yes higher IQ is statistically more likely to be successful but we are all inherently equal in value.
To whom? To God? Yeah sure that's fine. But on this earth? How so? If I spend a third of my life doing nothing and I spend another third of my life addicted to drugs and for the final third of my life raping and killing is my life as valuable to society as a neurosurgeon? Why or why not?
No. But until that individual starts infringing on other individuals directly (rape and murder) we have to figure out how to live with them.
I'm a big fan of the option where we don't have to. We cram land, air, and sea vessels floor to ceiling with them and we get them out of here in an effort to reclaim or nations and rid ourselves of the burden these people present to our societies.
We do not need to weigh ourselves down because of our own intelligence. That's counterintuitive behavior. We should not feel guilty about our lot in life.
Why should we be forced to have a worse time on this planet because of less intelligent people? Why do we need them living in our towns, cities, states, or countries? Why do we need to be the ones to support them? How is that us taking care of ourselves?
I never said we should be importing then to our country. I don't think we should.
I believe your mind is correct, and as a mental exercise I generally agree with your ideals.
But when reality hits plans, the plan of libertarianism is crushed by the reality of might makes right.
Libertarianism does not account for and actively denies this fact.
You know what I realized.
The civil rights movement was never about giving right to a group, it was always about taking rights away from whites.
Blacks had the vote. Blacks had schools. Blacks had every single right, except to come in and destroy white spaces.
The civil rights movement was never pro-black, it was always anti-white.
Bingo!
Feminism was about taking from men.
Civil rights was about taking from whites. Mostly families.
And anything gay is also about taking from families as a whole.
It's mostly wealth redistribution and probably a way to shield the identity of Jews.
Suffrage, while I don’t agree with the outcome was at least about actual equality. Voting, etc.
“Civil Rights,” was simply an way to turn the law into a legal assault on white people.
I can see the argument to be made for suffrage being about equality. But I think it's just another way to divide the household.
I think the way we voted before was less about individuals and more along the lines of what would be for your house. For a man it would be about what's best for your wife and children.
I don't know. It's hard to get in the mindset of a world I'm not living in.
Yeah, the result was a more divided household but that would have been a very difficult arrangement to maintain.
What’s sad is the household used to be powered by 1 individual making money, today 2 people working can’t power the household.
Working twice as much, falling further behind.
Not just successful.
They’re better people overall. Less crime, builds more stuff.
Importing 100 million third worlders and throwing their retarded children into the school system has destroyed our schools.
Crime rates have skyrocketed. Housing has skyrocked. Traffic has skyrocketed.
And yes, rape and murder has as well.
yeah, off the deep end here... how ironic because its the one point that eviscerates the notion that The Other can possibly understand or genuinely care about philosophies of political governance that developed exclusively in white civilization over THOUSANDS of years, such as libertardarianism or anarchy, not to mention their fucking IQs preclude it as well - on a BIOLOGICAL level...
and before you go full robot, your exceptions PROVE THE RULE.
you are not educated on the science of race.
fix it with this:
https://ostarapublications.com/product/race-and-racial-differences/
This is ridiculously narrow minded and stuck in small mindedness. I’m not liberal / anarchist / conservative or whatever. I Bitcoin because i want a better system. I’ve known gay people since i was young, they’re gay that’s it. Obviously there are perverts in every walk of life but picking on gay people and saying they’re all made by allowing perversion is ridiculous. I can’t stand the woke agenda going on to normalise an obvious drive to normalise non family life but also don’t promote hating people for how they are. Balance is needed. Nostr to me and the 100s i follow certainly doesn’t seem like the way you see it
I agree that a lot of gay people are just gay. Mostly because adolescence is confusing and even more so in our current culture where it's celebrated to be gay. But you may want to check the overlap between being gay and being perverted. It's a lot. Technically speaking just being gay is perverted... As the word mean abnormal sexual behavior. Homosexuality is abnormal. Ya know, because the reason we have sex is for procreation.
Some people are gay. It’s the way it is. What isn’t is f’ing State intervention with agendas to tell us what to think.
Ohhhhh, you’re a woman.
😂😂😂
Now it makes sense, you’re literally retarded.
I would never advocate for the state to tell people how to live
Agreed
It shouldn't have to hahah isn't that what your parents were supposed to do?
And most parents are generally retarded
And when we say "every single time" we mean EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Oh god, what’s this talmudic disaster?
Widely considered the original parenting book. But the concept has been rinsed and repeated by the usual suspects since this came out in 1946.
So much so that Arlene Klasky and Gábor Csupó inserted their own version (Dr. Lipschitz) into their hit 90s propaganda cartoon Rugrats.
I did a quick run through of it, doesn’t seem too bad? What am I missing?
I don't think it is that bad in and of itself. But I think it lays a good groundwork for more egregious takes. I think generally speaking before this book parenting methods were solely decided by the parents. My take is more of a "if it weren't for this book we wouldn't be where we are at now" and I suppose one could say "yeah but if he didn't do it someone else would've" and that's reasonable but he did do it and he happens to be Jewish. So. I'm not confident that his intent was exactly innocent.
Say a bunch of truths and then one big lie: children on stomach to sleep
Kill hundreds of thousands of babies that way, maybe more
Facts aren’t hate.
Gays are made, just ask them. If you know them, which you say you do, they won’t ask them directly but get to their traumas as a kid and some pedo will certainly appear. That or some divorced mom treated them as their husband and royally fucked them up that way.
Worse, nature abhors them and wants them all eliminated; 1/8 have AIDs. Not to mention the significant other horrid diseases they spread to each other. If they’re black and gay it’s 1/4.
Also, your brainwashed 100’s you follow mean nothing except you follow brainwashed retards.
Seriously you need to grow up. And get out more
Sorry are you telling me what to think right after typing this "tell us what to think"? Is that really what just happened? Is that what you did?
Yup 😂
You have no reply so you say “get out more.”
You’ve lost but refuse to admit it. One of your faggot friends probably touched you.
Personally I'm a fan of parasite theory. But yes there is an undeniable correlation with childhood trauma. Specifically victims of pedophiles.
This makes a lot of sense too.
Didn’t a bunch of gays tax anti parasitica during covid and they literally pooped out their gay?
I've heard stories like that. None of this stuff isn't allowed to be researched cause it goes against the notion that this is somehow something you're born with.
I've heard of people gaining an internal monologue after getting on steroids too.
They did similar stuff with the idea of "hormonal imbalances" to get people on SSRIs. "You're stuck being this way and we are going to sell you the cure" it's just that the "cure for gay" is complete destruction of civilized society so we can slowly inch acceptance of pedophiles in. (There's historical precedence for this)
I'd say that a pretty standard Libertarian position is that the state should not run schools. A Libertarian generally believes that parents should be in direct control of where their kids should go to school and that schools should depend almost entirely on the parents of their students for their funding. If the will of the people really is to give out education handouts, then the people can and will form their own school voucher system independent of the state.
Since Christians are usually more generous than atheists, you can imagine that schools would be a lot more Christian influenced in such a world, but that's probably not why most Libertarians would push for that kind of school choice.
As for homosecuality and drug use, I know that some Libertarians are against them (me) but the Libertarian position is that the state shouldn't decide what consenting adults do with their own bodies. Even if it means they are going to do the wrong thing.
I hope that clarifies the difference between a Republican, a Libertarian, and an Anarchist.
Where does being a pedophile land you on the political compass?
nostr:nprofile1qqsd9zc84qptalmzkse4skr383afq0rhxj3knup0vxftu09063kqp6qpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3qamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wd3skueqpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejsvt3laq is absolutely correct on this, nostr:nprofile1qqspdudqzqx5ellme3prp68qus5se3vynsddcexkv5la5p7qxxcswjcprdmhxue69uhhw6r9v96zu6rpwpc8jarpwejhym3wvdhj7qghwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejz7qgnwaehxw309ahkvenrdpskjm3wwp6kytcymfx7k . I have mentioned a bunch of times before on Nostr that I am a pedophile. In fact, the biggest reason I'm here is because Nostr is the only platform where an ordinary person can insult a pedophile to their face without either of them having to worry about a third party intervening.
To answer the question though, I don't think my pedophilia really has much to do with my political beliefs. I mean, does believing that children are cute and attractive really say anything about how I believe a country should be run? Plenty of pedos are far left and plenty are far right. I just happen to be more right wing I think.
What the fuck?
You didn't know? Damn, I thought I'd mentioned it to you before.
Looks like she muted me. That's too bad, I was interested to hear what she had to say to me.
😞 A strange reason for muting. I don’t get social networks.
So you're also a pedophile then?
Check out nostr:nprofile1qqsfcts2suzpxaeuhy2mnjwd9cwt69l98t3tp2r2hf09hu8uz0zzp5spzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43z7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09uqsuamnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dshsyg8jf4 . He's a pedophile. He muted me too after I insulted him and asked him too many questions.
nope. I just don’t understand why I should care how the notes that I find interesting are created. Makes no sense to me.
"It literally doesn't affect you"
So you're retarded then?
I mean, it's not as if I'm raping children to produce these notes. It's not as if I'm raping children because people sometimes choose to reply to me. In fact, I'm straight up just not raping children.
Me personally, I see no reason for me not to follow people I disagree with and dislike. If you look at my standalone notes, I almost never bring it up anyways. If you want to tell me my posts are trash and not worth reading for some other reason then I'm all ears, but for people muting it comes off more like the person just not wanting to have to judge me on my actual posts.
some people have judged you on your actual posts, enjoyed them regularly, and then mute you on the dirtiest twitter clone for failing a purity test. Totally confuses me.
maybe I am. Don’t care. I’m me. But, why are you making up quotes that nobody said?
It's the sentiment of what you said.
the sentiment is more like: it doesn’t affect anyone
Pedophilia doesn't affect anyone? That's what you're saying?
is you’re hobby making absurd claims and asking weird questions?
What was the context of the conversation? And what doesn't affect people? What's the "absurd claim" I'm making?
Ya, and drunk driving doesn't affect anyone either. It's the drunk crashers that give booze cruising a bad name. I'm pretty sure Hoshi was talking about my uncensored speech not affecting anyone.
Harm is infringement on natural rights. I wouldn't call myself conservative. I am conservative but not in the sense of maintaining everything currently. There are a lot of things I want dismantled. I'm for extremely small government. Police courts and military are basically to be it's only function. The rest can go. I'm for drug legalization. That's not a conservative viewpoint. I personally don't agree with gay marriage or transitioning sexes, but I also don't want a state that is in the business of telling consenting adults, key word adults, what to do. I may not agree personally, but I'm against any law banning said things, which is not conservative. On that note, I'm for legalizing prostitution. Definitely not conservative. I hate prostitution and I think we should foster a culture that discourages that behavior through public shame, but it should be legal. Because government must exist, it must be funded and cannot be reliably done so voluntarily. Therefore some taxation must exist. Obviously I'm for simple fair sales tax. That's it. Everyone pays the same sales tax on everything, do away with everything else. The only exception may be property tax. Given that defense is one of the only legitimate functions of government, property tax actually makes a little sense also. A fee to defend you and your property from foreign threat, if you will.
Did I miss anything?
Where what you said probably lands:
Conservative: police, small gov’t, small military, low taxes (revolution happened over 3% tax).
Not conservative: gays, prostitution
Neutral: drugs
Retarded: property tax (which end up meaning you don’t own your property)
Everything above is pretty fair, though it could easily be argue that faggotry and prostitution is self harm, so not sure where’d you go from there.
What you’ve listed is more on the conservative side of libertarianism, and I think falls more into the conservative side of reality. Not the RINO conservatism of today, but conservatism before the jew got involved in American politics.
And then, how do you maintain that land when the jews and Muslims are doing to America what they’re currently doing?
Slow bleed and replacement of the native population.
Thats not exactly “harm,” but it certainly isn’t not “harm.”
That shouldn't be allowed. I differ from a lot of libertarians on abortion and borders. I believe in strong national borders because I believe in Nation States. I am pro life because, clearly ending the life of an unborn child is an infringement on its basic human right to life and also murder (harm)... The science is clear on when life begins.
Then you sound like a traditional conservative (again, not the big government RINOs blackmailed by jews insanity we have today)
Most libertarians I’ve read on here are generally semi-anarchists.
It is self harm. But adults should be allowed to hurt themselves...