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I’m not for this change but I think people are completely blowing out of proportion the consequences of this change. My guess is it would be a nothingburger after about a week of chaos

GLACA 7mo ago 💬 1

I don’t think this is being overblown at all. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again—this is an attack on Bitcoin, and a serious one. It’s not about UI, decimals, or helping users. It’s about fundamentally altering the way Bitcoin is perceived—psychologically, economically, and memetically.

If we rename satoshis as “bitcoin,” we’re not simplifying—we’re redefining. We go from 21 million bitcoin to 2.1 quadrillion. And suddenly the price goes from $105,000 to $0.00105.

Now imagine explaining that to the world. Imagine trying to sell the idea of digital scarcity and hard money, while Bitcoin appears to have a higher supply than most memecoins. That’s not just confusion—it’s narrative collapse.

And the irony? Many of the loudest voices pushing this change claim to be maximalists. They fight memecoins by turning Bitcoin into one—on paper. A cheap, inflated, ultra-high-supply token indistinguishable from what we’ve spent years trying to distance ourselves from.

You say it’ll be a nothingburger in a week.

I say it will permanently fracture the mental model of the greatest monetary meme ever created.

21 million is not cosmetic. It’s the core.

You don’t throw that away just to sell the illusion that Bitcoin is still cheap.

This isn’t just bad economics.

It’s psyop-level narrative warfare.

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HoloKat 7mo ago 💬 1

I disagree.

GLACA 7mo ago 💬 2

That’s fine—but just to be clear:

BIP-177 redefines the unit and inflates the perceived supply of Bitcoin from 21 million to 2.1 quadrillion.

That’s more than every memecoin, shitcoin, and altcoin in existence.

Whatever the intention, the result is clear:

It shatters the scarcity meme, breaks the price psychology, and turns Bitcoin—on paper—into dust.

Disagree if you must, but please be honest about what this proposal actually does.

HoloKat 7mo ago 💬 1

Yes it does impact the scarcity meme, no argument there. And I’m not even arguing that it would be insignificant- I don’t know for sure but suspect it would be less impact than you claim. Majority of the world has no idea what sats are.

I’m more in the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” camp and see this discussion as irrelevant because it’s the app designers who can make the change without any BIPs

GLACA 7mo ago 💬 2

I get your stance, and I respect it. But this isn’t just about a scarcity meme—it’s about the signal we, as a community, send. Wallet developers take cues from culture. If we stand firm—“if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”—this won’t gain traction. But if voices like Jack Dorsey and others with massive followings normalize this shift, devs will start experimenting.

Then we’ll end up with fractured UX—wallets showing different numbers, people unsure how much bitcoin they actually hold, confusion rippling through new users and media. That’s not a UI improvement. That’s chaos.

And what’s most alarming is that this doesn’t feel organic—it feels like an organized psyop. We’ve all seen how topics are engineered to go viral. This isn’t a joke or a harmless debate. It’s coordinated. It’s serious. And it’s dangerous.

One of the loudest voices pushing this has over 6 million followers on X, and owns a company building Bitcoin wallets/ Bitkey/—hardware, mobile, and recovery tools. So yes—he can push this into production. And if we stay silent, others will follow.

We stop it now—or we sort through the confusion later. At scale.

HoloKat 7mo ago 💬 1

It doesn’t feel engineered at all. This has been an ongoing discussion for some time. Satoshi thought about it way back then too. I’m tired of everything being seen as an attack just because one doesn’t approve it. It’s an open source ecosystem and if an app changes units that’s fine - it’s their choice. The market will decide. I don’t see anything wrong with experimenting with this. In fact, I plan on doing just so with my own projects.

I don’t think any of the issues you are concerned about have as grave of consequences as you feel they do. But, I respect your opinion and remain cautiously in the don’t touch the thing that works camp for now. I fully agree it’ll be confusing. When we made Banco Libre we had bitcoin as the unit instead of sats (not by design) and that was confusing to me. But I have to be aware that people like me are few in the grand scheme of things and I’d rather get feedback from normies and not rely on my personal opinion and what I’m accustomed to already.

GLACA 7mo ago 💬 1

I’ll be honest—I don’t understand why you’d want to experiment with something you already admit will be confusing. At a time when the window for everyday people to access Bitcoin is rapidly closing, the last thing we need is more confusion.

And as for whether it’s engineered or not—I’ve been on social media long enough to recognize how viral agendas are seeded and amplified. Before Jack Dorsey picked this up, it was just another fringe idea from John Carvalho. Now it’s suddenly everywhere. That’s not organic. That’s coordinated momentum.

It’s distraction. And it comes at the worst possible time.

Let's leave it at that.

HoloKat 7mo ago

I thought I made it clear already - people who would find it confusing are few, and people who might benefit are many.

Might benefit. I don’t know if they will.

Ultimately bitcoin requires several run ins to start getting it and learning about sats is not a huge barrier imo.

HoloKat 7mo ago

Also, I could be wrong. And I’d rather not find out.