I think the thing that confuses the debate and makes the statistics seem weird is that nobody tracks the order things happen in.

Step 1: working-class black people are married and poor, but peaceful and gainfully employed

Step 2: some working-class black people gain higher qualifications and their pay increases. They start organizing and demanding equal pay. They're going middle-class.

Step 3: white employers get upset, that black people want to get paid as much as white people, so they mass-import a bunch of poor, underqualified foreigners, to break the strikes and drive wages down

Step 4: black men are increasingly unemployed or paid starvation wages, black women stop marrying them or file for divorce and marry the state

Step 5: black area full of fatherless children, organizing into gangs

Step 6: shoot outs go crazy, so gun laws are enacted, but don't help much

Step 7: rich white people (the same ones who destroyed the employment market for black men because they're actually a bunch of greedy, lazy fucks who like having a subservient underclass) show up and demand gun laws to stop the shooting and raise the amount of welfare that black women get as a reward for being a Baby Mama because They Care About The Children.

Places with high marriage rates and low male unemployment don't need those gun laws because they don't have the fatherless children, who run around shooting people for sport.

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Nobody promoting tighter gun laws ever mentions that black men from such neighborhoods are safer fighting as soldiers overseas in war zones, than staying in those neighborhoods.

Is that because the war zone is a gun-free zone?

Black people legit join the military to escape violence.

as always, your views are thought provoking

That's not surprising at all considering the type of wars the US has fought lately. In most military positions your chance of dying is nearly zero, even during war. Training is actually more dangerous than deployment in a lot of cases.

It'd be very different in a different context...

Are they in dangour because a lack of guns or because of unjust racial profiling and racism within and without police?

They are mostly in danger from each other.

Why would your statement be true? Is there some logic? Or is this a special occurance, that is unique to people with black skin? To me this seems quiete stupid to state, that there is a causal connection between color of skin and behaviour.

It's not because of the color of their skin. Why would you think that?

Since the conversation is about black men. So what else are you refering when you say "they are mostly in danger from each other."?

They are in danger from people in their own communities. Yes, those places are predominantly black, but no, being black does not predispose you to killing people.

I was mainly replying because of the tired narrative that cops are just out racially profiling people and hunting black people down to extinction levels and that cops apparently are all racists. I'm not saying that has never happened, just that that is not what people in black communities are in most danger of.

Yes, they shoot each other.

I don't get what is so difficult to understand about that.

Who is them? How you know if you are part of them, those or the others?

yeah, the thing of importing foreigners is a really big problem, as is the government sending out soldiers and spooks to go stir up trouble in those places causing their culture to degrade into violence as well

that script played out a lot especially with south america and mexico, and is now playing out in europe with middle east and africa - and eastern europe also, where their culture was destroyed a long time beforehand, that's why the european union has been so aggressively signing up former communist countries

and part of it too is this secular humanist bullshit that metastasised into woke culture, which is essentially the first step on the path to full blown satanism, that came before all of the steps you listed, and is foundational to all of them... we know who the real enemy is

Yes, it goes without saying that the people who destroyed Black America and unleashed death rates higher than hot wars and communist gulags aren't Trad Catholics, or something.

The road to hell has been paved by secular, liberal do-gooders, who are trying to build a utopia on Earth because they think there is no Heaven.

But I'm done discussing this. It upsets me too much.

They stir up trouble to increase emigration.