I'm not taking either side here, but you are misreading that quote. it does say 72% males 13-55. what do you claim it says?
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What the fuck is wrong with you?
How do you call trying to reaffirm a lie "not taking a side?"
It says 72% of people in a certain age range are male, not that 72% of deaths are males in that age range
The majority of deaths in Gaza are civilians, Hamas has never claimed otherwise because Hamas aren't the kind of people you and Peter Todd are
what do you think the first sentence in that quote is referring to? what is the percentage measuring?
Who cares?
I don't give a shit what the quote is about, Peter Todd lied about what it said and used that to justify his further lie that Hamas have claimed the majority of deaths in this genocide aren't civilians
Why do you care about the quote now that it's been revealed Peter Todd was completely lying about it? What's your thoughts process here?
how can you not care about the meaning of the quote but also say that he's lying about the meaning? this is literally the conversion we're having, isn't it? "what does the quote mean?" is a precondition to "is a given representation of the quote honest or a lie?".
the reason I asked about the first line is because the last line is a continuation of it. I'm not brining up a tangent.
Are you saying you don't understand any of the words because you don't care about them, and you assume I can't understand any of the words because I don't care much about them?
I'm still not following your train of thought here
"you would expect to see..." - this is about the percentage of adult male deaths you would expect to see in a given age range.
"It's 72% in that age range" is the actual percentage seen in that age range.
that's how I understand the quote, mechanically.
in that understanding, Todd isn't lying. he may be wrong and horrible about everything else, and if you want to call him out on those I won't even have a comment. but in my reading of that quote and his reference to it, your accusation that he's lying about it is a cheap and incorrect shot and it doesn't inspire onlookers to take you seriously.
that is the extent of my position here so don't take this as an endorsement of anything.
You're posting word salad
Peter Todd said in exact words "the deaths are 72% males aged 13 to 55" and he implied an attached link supported his statement
The attached link didn't say 72% of the deaths are males aged 13 to 55, it had the number 72% in a different context
I didn't mention this before, but Peter Todd also said the source was Hamas and implied the link would support him on that too. But according to the link, the source was Andrew Fox, associate fellow at the UK-based think tank Henry Jackson Society, speaking to Euronews; so, unless he's saying Andrew Fox and/or Euronews are Hamas, I'm not sure how you're having a difficult time understanding the differences between Peter Todd's statements and the link he attached.
I also can't imagine being retarded enough to need to click Peter Todd's link to know whether it's a lie, hundreds of days into the genocide. Any adult by now should only be clicking Peter Todd's link with the intent of showing that it doesn't match what he said, because it can't, because every sane adult knows the majority of these deaths in Gaza have been civilians and Hamas would never say otherwise.
It is a confusing quote. It says one thing, then new sentence asserts what Wigit is saying if taken alone. After multiple readings, my understanding is, arbitrary killing should be close to 50% males, half adult (since they're 50% under 18). That's where you get 26% expected adult males if indiscriminant. They then move to a different window and assert its 72% male there. Kind of a bad way to present data, but any window should be 50% male if random, and here it skews male, thus more likely fighters. But we don't get a clear idea of what portion of total deaths that is, and have to assume it's opportunistically chosen to make a point imo
You sound insane, friend
The age range was 13 to 55
It's common knowledge that the majority of people Israel kills in Gaza are women, minors, and the elderly
13 year olds are minors but also considered "fighting age"
There's no assumption required to see how fucked up this misrepresentation of the data is
I was agreeing with you...
I don't agree with your agreement
You said it was confusing but it's not, it says 13 to 55, it's a clear "fuck mentally healthy people and if you're one reading this, fuck your mental health, it's child murderer era"
Quote is confusing because we are changing denominators in going from first assertion to second. I don't know enough about the demographics to know how misleading it might be, but sense it is somewhat the case considering the source. That's all I'm saying. I read it like Bonney did first couple times, which I think is normal since that's how an honest communication of such figures would normally be presented, but upon closer inspection doesn't look that way.
Your confusion terrifies me, brother
Contrary to Peter Todd's claims, even Israeli politicians and military leaders have been open about targeting civilians since the beginning of the war:
english.elpais.com/international/2024-01-11/wipe-gaza-off-the-face-of-the-earth-the-statements-made-by-israeli-politicians-on-which-south-africa-supports-its-genocide-case.html
truthout.org/articles/israeli-politician-says-children-of-gaza-have-brought-this-upon-themselves/
www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240401-israeli-officers-admit-that-most-gaza-fatalities-classified-as-terrorists-are-civilians/
The Palestinian health ministry has reported mostly civilian deaths from day 1 and Hamas has never refuted that, and why would they?
Peter Todd presented it exactly backwards and attached a random link mentioning a percentage to waste time, and it worked. That's not good
Confusion was simply about how poor the quote/stats presentation was. It's possible it was meant the way Peter and vinney (and myself originally) read it, accurate or not, but the more I read it I saw what looked like dishonest stats. Why I say I agree with you nitpicking.
As for all the rest, I don't know all that much about it, just what I hear online now and then. I'll check out your links briefly though, then move on with my life
In the middle of talking percentages the guy says "adult male deaths" and then clarifies the age range "13 to 55" while Israel is mass murdering women and kids
Bruh
Aight, imma head out
https://video.nostr.build/e4edce8c8628ad859af611be0313267046e3276aa7c95d36138de45dfde32c6b.mp4
I hope she's ok
this is what a reasonable discussion looks like, thank you.