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nostr:npub1yrf6e774ggeylt7e7s784jv9ydawv5c4z5zj4arvvs04q7lkulvqdgkaz3 I was thinking about your comment about newfound respect for police with age. It's true. As you get older you realize how rare and precious order is, how hard it is to create and maintain. Everyone thinks Machiavelli was evil. But his argument really is that order is better than chaos for most people so a leader should preserve order at all costs. Bitcoin seems to track with ancap but that's just an ideal and in reality, a vacuum. That vacuum would be filled with violent warlords because NPCs demand order.

Just a freshman philosophy convo with myself this morning

stache 1y ago

So peepl suk and we need strong leaders to keep peepl from sukin🤔

But our leaders will be peepl or a system created by peepl…but peepl suk🤔

Maybe we should just form a tribe the size of Dunbar’s number…but then peepl that suk will invade us…and that will suk

Wait…a benevolent Monarch…but no his progeny will be peepl and at some point they will suk

🤔💡 ahh… a democratic republic “if u can hang onto it ma’am”… well that worked for a while but…

Ur not wrong and I know I’m being snarky…but all forms of govts/leadership are peepl and can and as history has shown likely will be corrupted (suk)

Also all forms of govt require compliance (willing is preferable)

…to the extent leaders provide value in ur life they are tolerated and sometimes even respected and beloved…but what happens when life becomes intolerable for the masses🤔

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Jay Pow Pow 1y ago

Not all people are the same. Isn't it interesting that power attracts sociopaths? What if sociopathy is a useful collective trait because it allows someone to become an effective leader? If you had a group without any sociopathy, they would succumb to a group whose leader was a sociopath

stache 1y ago

🤔…well damn if that ain’t an interesting take😳

It’s been a while since I’ve thought much about psychology (med school 30-35 years ago) and it’s a SOFT science with what seems like continously shifting definitions and diagnoses…but…

Best I recall (and I’m prolly wrong on a lot of this) most psychological/psychiatric diseases fall into spectrum ranging from neuroses to full blown psychoses.

For example full blown bipolar folks have unbridled energy and delusions of grandeur on the high side and crippling, disabling depression on the low side but the lesser (nuerotic) side of the spectrum is hypomania (some say Thomas Jefferson and Leonardo da Vinci had this condition). Many with hypomania gravitate to teaching and make incredible teachers, coaches, preachers and leaders.

Sociopaths on the other hand lack empathy for the victims or consequences of their actions. In the psycopathic side of the spectrum they may become serial killers. In the nueropathic side they may well gravitate to politics or leadership (like CEO’s, coaches, teachers, preachers) but because they lack empathy they are less likely to be effective…and when effective more likely to be tyrants🤔

But I agree one hundred percent that some psychological disorders result in hyper performers in certain circumstances…but my preference would be to keep sociopaths out our govt

Jus one idgits opinion🤷🏽‍♂️

Jay Pow Pow 1y ago

Maybe. But maybe it's like AI and nuclear weapons. If you don't get them, someone else will. And the worse thing than having a sociopath in charge is facing off against a tribe who has a sociopath and you don't.

I got to thinking about this when I read something about autists. It said they are useful in war situations because they think outside the box. Or your example of mania or hypomania. For example, there's a book (can't recall its name) saying how useful hypomania is to business success.

Maybe these awful psych conditions are useful at a meta level to the survival of the herd. Like gut flora. They really cause problems when they overrun their useful % relative to NPCs.

🤷‍♂️

stache 1y ago

Ur an onion #jaypowpow ….seems like a lot of layers there

…And I mean that in a good way👍🏽