2121 SATS to join the Nosflare relay
Or, you can deploy your own, charge what you want, and customize the landing page
https://github.com/Spl0itable/nosflare
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> This means, you can technically query your R2 bucket using standard HTTP POST
> This opens up many possibilities for the relay to share event data outside of a Nostr client
signed up!
isn't the whole point of having self-host relays decentralization? so don't you see that having Cloudflare host every relay might conflict with that mission?
I was a very early user of Cloudflare before they went public, back when they had just launched for everyone and were helping disenfranchised people (marginalized groups, whistleblowers, opposition parties, etc) who might be targets of DDoS attacks to protect their sites and their speech. There still seems to be an element of that, despite being beholden to shareholders now. I still to this day think they offer some of the best web tools for performance and security to site owners. Their workers platform shits all over the competition. AWS Lambda functions doesn’t come close imo, for example.
I am aware of the MitM threat they pose for certain types of data since they decrypt traffic for analysis and to apply WAF rules. But I’m not sure if they’re as big of a threat to try and shut down relays. People then shouldn’t use a Fastly, Hetzner, AWS, GCP, DO, Linode, etc or any public hosting company. Of course it’d be best if people had a server at their physical home. A bit unrealistic for many, even though I do.
Nosflare makes it stupid easy to deploy a Nostr relay and for very low cost compared to traditional bare metal or rented VPS. Nosflare using workers is scalable vertically and horizontally, has very limited attack surface compared to legacy hosted relays, can absorb millions of concurrent users, has no defined storage limit, is globally distributed and extremely fast, and more. But, the code is FOSS, so someone could refactor it for a different serverless environment if they wanted.
Let them try to shut us all down 😈 (even though I don’t think it’ll ever get to that point, I hope 🤞)
I disagree with everything you said
First Cloudflare is a massive privacy risk, it's absolutely ridiculous you don't see it that way. They measure the speeds users pull data, this alone can doxx nostr users. They browser fingerprint users of websites. What does privacy even mean if they see everything?
https://simplifiedprivacy.com/why-and-what-is-arweb/arweave-website-creator.html
Second, the idea that you need millions of concurrent users is ridiclous. It's the same small bunch of people here on Nostr. Both you and I can not even get 100 reactions if we tried. Nobody cares to DDoS you, or the users using that self-host relay.
Third, there is no purpose in decentralized tools if 2-3 entities control them all. And the only solutions you mentioned are international giants or in your home. You're completely leaving out smaller providers
Let's take your logical thought to the extreme.. if everyone hosted nosflare on cloudflare, then it would be a regular social media site with a single entity. So the only thing magical about Nostr, is those who DON'T use this.
That’s not entirely true. You’re missing some logistical details. Cloudflare would have to audit ALL of their customers to see who’s running a relay in order to try to shut them down, either one-by-one or in one go. But first, they’d have to handle it legally by the country’s regulation of each customer. What legal basis would they even have to shutdown the relays in the first place? It’s just code. And the smaller providers are just leasing rack space from the bigger ones anyway lol.
a) Massive privacy risk. Please see the article linked above.
b) Nostr has scaling issues completely outside of how many clients can hit up 1 relay at a time. The issue is you literally can't connect to 1000s of relays, so it forces centralization as people use the same popular ones with dramatic different outcomes. Even fiatjaf admits this
c) No they don't have to "audit" each one, they can knock out the biggest popular relays in seconds, its public on clear
d) No, you're completely incorrect on the smaller ones. You have not properly researched this
the reason i dont trust or use cloudflare is because i know that centralization makes us weaker this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lF6EFhx3BhY silently shows why.
