The question is why are the big players and devs trying so hard to centralize Lightning in exchange wallets like Primal wallet, strike and cashapp?

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to make onboarding easy for normal people i guess.. this is important.. then after a while they learn.. and go self custody..

Thats a sad and wrong way of teaching and onboarding normal people, it’s perpetuating a need to a financial institution behind when Bitcoin philosophy is to not need one to transact

Normal people don't want to learn, they want to be comfortable and not have to worry about anything except consuming. So they remain stuck on the exchanges🤷‍♂️

Because they want the largest chunk of the pie . Learn from exchanges such as Binance with all the trade volumes !

Even when you look as DEX who got there first same case !

Because Lightning in a non custodial way sucks.

Correct.

True ✔️

they all have limits + it is best efficient way to doing - novice users need to do when receive windfall zap - move sats to custodialwallet like phoenixd or apk - nostr always use MULTIPLE WALLET MULTIPLE CLIENT - CAT n MOUSE GAME KEEP ON CHAOS ON

It's a good trade off balance to onboard normies

It isn’t, its a sad trade off

That's the beauty of trade offs. We all get to decide what trade off balance works for us :)

all solutions are good n important like cars

problem is most DRIVER skills n requeirements - F1 car - Motorcycle or Bicycle

Nice one, on my 🚲 over here

I don’t agree, not all solutions are good, and a necessity to have a financial institution to onboard is the wronguest way of onboarding new people to Bitcoin

also point too - avoid e,g, zdb - but new user few sats if check biz in depth first is ok

Its easier, and frees them to work on fun social media things they want to build. Custody isn't the #1 concern unsurprisingly.

Easy solutions like that are system traps..

they are not wallets

it is a lie, a fraud

those are accounts, not wallets

True

The question is how do I get around that?

Understanding what you are using, and use different solutions

Or do you mean, why does the user base (ie the market) seem to - INEXPLICABLY - prefer user friendly / extremely high uptime services that offer ease of use at the cost of centralization…?

The UX for nontechnical users is so much better. Non-custodial wallets are really hard to use, because the system itself is opaque and confusing. What’s a valid address? which of these dozens of wallets work? How do I buy sats with fiat.

This is so true. Not everyone is a techie wizz, plus it’s always evolving so one has to keep up. Bitcoin/lightning should be for everyone.

I think the main reason is to be compliant with the suits, ease of use is just a side effect

The problem i see is killing the Bitcoin philosophy of not need a financial institution to make transactions..

Learning how to do "all the things" is a journey. We can't require that people complete the journey before they step on the path.

People can step with a non custodial solution if who teaches, teach correctly

just as #bitcoin is like #centralbanks for their central accounting and high security and high cost of transaction

#lightning is like Visa and Mastercard and Western Union and Ria and Moneygram

clearinghouses have efficiencies of scale

lightning has a very high cost of setup and works best with a smaller network, because it is a "who you know" type of network... i refer to it as "brittle"

#ecash is a little bit like physical currency, but fails to achieve this point because it doesn't model the needed properties properly - a real e-cash system needs to have a system of change providers, which in your standard cash based money system, is the cash registers and purses of the vendors using this money in the marketplace

it reminds me, i had an idea some years back for a peer to peer payment system that included the use of third party change providers, and the idea of tokens that were fixed value like money

but i didn't figure out the cryptography of it very well, it's a hard problem

suffice it to say that lightning and ecash really don't advance us from the centralisation tendency that we see with payment network systems... they have high establishment costs and lead times, and this favours big players

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LN is centralized by nature